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Old January 1 2014, 06:42 AM   #511
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Re: Star Trek III - The [Speculation Begins] (Spoilers)

I'm in favor of restoring the timeline and wrapping it up by the end of the third movie.
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Old January 1 2014, 05:15 PM   #512
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'Restoring' makes no sense, since we've been repeatedly told by TPTB and in the expanded universe (comics, novels, games) that the original Trek timeline is still there existing in parallel to this one.

It would also be extremely unsatisfying for those of us who actually like these versions of the characters, to see them erased.
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Old January 1 2014, 10:47 PM   #513
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I want to see Bajorans and Cardassians. I want to see Kirk and the Federation kick some serious Cardassian tail and prevent the occupation. I'd also get a kick out of the wormhole getting screentime (imagine the 3D thrill-ride that can make out of THAT!)

As a Niner, that would be a bittersweet thing, to see the Bajorans get out of 50 years of pain while in a single movie my whole favorite Star Trek series gets wiped out of the timeline.
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Old January 2 2014, 05:48 PM   #514
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They should remake the last episode of TOS.

I'd pay to see Pine play the role of captain Kirk possessed by a crazy woman. Who is going to play Lester?
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Old January 2 2014, 06:01 PM   #515
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As a Niner, that would be a bittersweet thing, to see the Bajorans get out of 50 years of pain while in a single movie my whole favorite Star Trek series gets wiped out of the timeline.
Good to know that four-and-a-half years after Star Trek 2009, people still don't understand branching timelines.
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Old January 2 2014, 06:06 PM   #516
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They should remake the last episode of TOS.

I'd pay to see Pine play the role of captain Kirk possessed by a crazy woman. Who is going to play Lester?
They could always give the role to Carol Marcus. Maybe they almost start something, and Carol feels used and jealous and goes off the deep end
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Old January 2 2014, 09:02 PM   #517
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As a Niner, that would be a bittersweet thing, to see the Bajorans get out of 50 years of pain while in a single movie my whole favorite Star Trek series gets wiped out of the timeline.
Who cares ? You know you can still watch DS9, right ? They didn't grab all copies of the DVD and destroyed them along with the master tapes. I don't see what the problem is, even if we assume that the original timeline has been wiped.
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Old January 2 2014, 11:09 PM   #518
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^ Which, fortunately, it has not.

Logically speaking, the Abramsverse can never be undone, since nobody in the prime timeline knows anything about it (from their POV, Nero and Spock just vanished and were never seen again), and if somebody in the Abramsverse tries to do something like slingshot back and destroy Nero, that'll just create a third timeline - it won't eliminate the second one.
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Old January 2 2014, 11:37 PM   #519
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As a Niner, that would be a bittersweet thing, to see the Bajorans get out of 50 years of pain while in a single movie my whole favorite Star Trek series gets wiped out of the timeline.
Good to know that four-and-a-half years after Star Trek 2009, people still don't understand branching timelines.
The concept of non-linear aliens living in the wormhole and interacting with linear Bajor doesn't work with Abramstrek's concept of time travel anyways. I don't think the wormhole aliens produced an infinite amounts of Benjamin Sisko's to fulfil their plans in all the parallel universes, and every time they interact with him, they create a new universe. No no. They need one timeline that is subject to predestination paradoxes and bla.
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Old January 2 2014, 11:49 PM   #520
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As a Niner, that would be a bittersweet thing, to see the Bajorans get out of 50 years of pain while in a single movie my whole favorite Star Trek series gets wiped out of the timeline.
Good to know that four-and-a-half years after Star Trek 2009, people still don't understand branching timelines.
The concept of non-linear aliens living in the wormhole and interacting with linear Bajor doesn't work with Abramstrek's concept of time travel anyways. I don't think the wormhole aliens produced an infinite amounts of Benjamin Sisko's to fulfil their plans in all the parallel universes, and every time they interact with him, they create a new universe. No no. They need one timeline that is subject to predestination paradoxes and bla.
Depending on what one thinks of the novels, there is one that opens exactly that way. With multiple versions of Ben Sisko.

I can't remember which book... maybe The Neverending Sacrifice or The Soul Key?

EDIT: It is Fearful Symmetry.
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Old January 5 2014, 03:23 AM   #521
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I wish they'd just rebooted Trek without apology instead of doing the half-assed geek reassuring branched timeline crap.
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Old January 5 2014, 12:29 PM   #522
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Speak for yourself. I love that "timeline branching crap". The trick is, they do whatever the hell they want anyway and if fans like it, they'll suspend disbelief.
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Old January 5 2014, 01:25 PM   #523
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Speak for yourself. I love that "timeline branching crap". The trick is, they do whatever the hell they want anyway and if fans like it, they'll suspend disbelief.
Yeah a parallel timeline literally mean running parallel to the first one - that's what was said in the movie

It is all a STORY, all your season boxsets are still on your shelf, JJ didn't wipe them from existence.

What of STAR TREK 13 then?

It's interesting to see how they will take the story forward- Klingons as the main enemy, would the Borg be a bit much?

Even though before 'Into Darkness' I thought that Nimoy shouldn't have been in Trek12 to give the NuCrew a chance to shine I'm glad he was there and being the 50th Anniversary should the new one be released in 2016 I hope he makes another cameo. People forget that with The Cage [50 years old this year!; filmed Nov-Dec 64] Leonard Nimoy as Spock is Star Trek's longest serving character/actor, and spans right from then to last year's film.

I do prefer an original story that moves the characters forward.
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Old January 5 2014, 04:30 PM   #524
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I wish they'd just rebooted Trek without apology instead of doing the half-assed geek reassuring branched timeline crap.
Same here. I appreciate them trying to split the difference but it came across awkwardly.

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Yeah a parallel timeline literally mean running parallel to the first one - that's what was said in the movie
Well, the wording makes it vague and open to interpretation. We're really working more with writer intent than anything clearly stated on screen.
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Old January 5 2014, 04:43 PM   #525
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I wish they'd just rebooted Trek without apology instead of doing the half-assed geek reassuring branched timeline crap.
I agree. If they had just started over, and ST XI had not involved time travel of any kind, it still wouldn't have erased the original timeline. The two versions of BSG, for example, exist side by side, and (unlikely though it may be that they could exist in the same universe) nobody seriously thought nuBSG overwrote the old, did they? Same story here.
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