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Old January 1 2014, 04:53 PM   #16
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Re: When did New Frontier "Jump the Shark"?

I loved New Frontier when it started, and continued to love it until they did the whole time jump thing. It was jarring and didn't inspire the love for the series that existed beforehand.

I was not a fan of what happened to McHenry...i was not a fan of the whole "western" thing going on with Calhoun in the Excalibur trilogy...Xyon hyper-aging was not something i dug. Saying all that, i still love reading Calhoun and would welcome more stories by PAD or someone else even.

As i've said before when this topic comes up, I'd love it if David Mack brought us some NF stories. I like that he mentions Calhoun & The Excalibur people once in awhile; and i loved his Kebron story in the NF anthology from the early 2000's.
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Old January 2 2014, 12:03 AM   #17
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i was not a fan of the whole "western" thing going on with Calhoun in the Excalibur trilogy...
Strange. I often feel like I was the only one who liked "EXcalibur: Restoration". I'm not a fan of westerns, but I enjoyed every word of this book. I even bought it in both hardcover and paperback reprint so as not to wreck the numbering of my MMPB collection.
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Old January 2 2014, 12:37 AM   #18
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I didn't like Restoration either. Sadly, that's about all I can remember about it.
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Old January 2 2014, 01:11 AM   #19
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I remember when Peter David said that he wanted to avoid "backsliding" by having characters' careers evolve and not have them on the same ship and holding the same position for books on end, but that's precisely what made all the TV series so great.
Not seeing the characters appreciably change over a seven-year span like on TNG and Voyager was "great"? Really?
Yes.

"Growth" and "change" are not always good things.
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Old January 2 2014, 01:37 AM   #20
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"Growth" and "change" are not always good things.
You are not allowed to say that.

I was told so at work...
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Old January 2 2014, 02:00 AM   #21
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"Growth" and "change" are not always good things.
Growth and change for the sake of growth and change are not good things. Growth and change that happen as part of a life experience are an essential part of being alive.

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Old January 2 2014, 02:26 AM   #22
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"Stone and Anvil" was, indeed the high point for the series. I hated losing Janos in the ongoing narrative, but what a triumph of an ending!
I agree with this. I've read the 2 volumes following it, but for me New Frontier's true story ended with Stone and Anvil. It should probably have done what Vanguard did, and go out on a high note. The final scene where Calhoun and Shelby watch Janos leave could have been the perfect closing moment for the series.

What I would like however... is a few name drops for the series cast in new novels from other series. That the series ended doesn't have to mean the characters' adventures can't continue. Say for example the Typhon Pact was up to something in sector 221-G, but Starfleet then informs Picard that the Excalibur had already put a stop to it or some such.
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Old January 2 2014, 03:11 AM   #23
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What I would like however... is a few name drops for the series cast in new novels from other series. That the series ended doesn't have to mean the characters' adventures can't continue. Say for example the Typhon Pact was up to something in sector 221-G, but Starfleet then informs Picard that the Excalibur had already put a stop to it or some such.
Cameos would be a nice touch, too. If Picard or Sisko attends a meeting at Starfleet Headquarters, why not have Mueller there, as well? I realize that keeping series separate is sometimes important to avoid confusing readers who haven't read each of them, but casually mentioning the commanding officer of USS Trident isn't that big of a deal.

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Old January 2 2014, 04:20 PM   #24
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After the Fall. I *loved* NF, and Stone and Anvil is my favorite entry (I think the ending is just beautiful)... but damn, AtF lost me on the series, and everything I've read after has felt downright stale and unfunny.
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Old January 2 2014, 07:37 PM   #25
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The cast being split across two ships was where I began to wobble, and then the time-jump sealed the deal for my disinterest.
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Old January 3 2014, 04:16 AM   #26
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Yeah, I have to go with the time-skip as well, but the beginning of the end, at least IMHO, was when the series stopped being a series about a ship and a crew. The splitting up the family is what killed it for me.
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Old January 3 2014, 08:53 AM   #27
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I only read the last two or three novels, and I never had a low opinion of Peter Davids writing.

However, it was my understanding that the whole of the series was of a "comic book" quality, in terms of concept at the very least.

Exactly when did that "bird" hatch from a planetary body anyways?
That description is spot on. The whole thing felt like a comic book after the first book or two--and I mean a 90's comic book, where everyone was sexy, emotionally stunted and the best at what they do, bub.

I think the Great Bird hatching was the shark jumping moment, but I read a few books after that, unfortunately.

Now, to try Vanguard and SCE. How did they turn out?
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Old January 3 2014, 10:24 AM   #28
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Now, to try Vanguard and SCE. How did they turn out?
Vanguard is great all the way through and you're probably going to get a lot of people saying the same thing.

I thought SCE got off to a slow start, like the first book or two just didn't do a lot for me, but it gets better.
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Old January 3 2014, 10:44 AM   #29
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SCE is fantastic once Tev
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Old January 3 2014, 11:38 AM   #30
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Lets face facts. Right from the start, NF could be very silly !
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