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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

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Old November 28 2013, 04:03 PM   #91
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This was an even better love letter to the show than the 50th anniversary special
Well, "The Day of the Doctor" had to be more than just a "love letter" to the past; it also had to be a resolution and advancement of the arcs of the current series. AAiSaT, by contrast, was able to be more fundamentally about paying tribute to the show's history. So the two had different priorities, doing complementary things rather than trying to do the same thing with different levels of success.
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Old November 29 2013, 11:31 PM   #92
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Excellent. Loved it.

I was most impressed with David Bradley's performance as Hartnell, and Jessica Raine was great as Verity Lambert.
I thought Raine was excellent as well. It had been bugging me why she looked so familiar, then I finally realized she was in "Hide" last season.
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Old November 30 2013, 01:46 AM   #93
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I loved it. Honestly, cannot think of a single 'wrong' note.
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Old December 7 2013, 08:59 PM   #94
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I nearly lost it when Hartnell said "I don't want to go". Pretty sure Gatiss intentionally mirrored Tennant's line from The End of Time there.
That got to me as well--along with Smith showing up, in that enigmatic way. Why didn't they show all the rest--well they did that with "Day of" but maybe, like Smith holding his own with Tennant, send up Matt's incarnation as one of the best--after all, he copied Patrick's most of all--and that was Hartnell's immediate successor.

having Hartnell actually fix the time rotor was my favorite bit.

This is Mark Gatiss' best offering in my opinion--and I would like to see more--maybe a behind the scenes tale of each Doctor--with that doctor's actor as played by different people over the years.

For example, I'm very sure that Peter Davison got his feeling hurt replacing Tom Baker, feeling Wesley Crusher kind of hate. I'd like to see his story, as he warmed to his own role over time perhaps, or poor Colin's health.

I'm sure each actor has gone through interesting things over the years...

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Old December 7 2013, 09:25 PM   #95
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It's occurred to me that the shot of Smith at the end wasn't really meant to represent Hartnell's POV. Smith was standing in for us, the modern audience, looking back at Hartnell from our POV. I mean, this is really a pretty sad movie. Hartnell finally finds a role he loves, a professional family where he feels he belongs, but everyone leaves him and then he gets too ill to continue and they kick him out and his career withers and then he dies young and it's all very sad. So I think that final moment reflected our wish as fans -- and Mark Gatiss's wish as the writer -- that we could go back and communicate with Hartnell and tell him that what he started would leave a legacy stretching forward 50 years and more, and that he would always be remembered and cherished. To let him know, as it were, that there should be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties, because Doctor Who had gone forward in all its beliefs and proven to him that he was not mistaken in his.
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Old December 7 2013, 10:49 PM   #96
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That is a wonderful way to look at it.
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Old December 8 2013, 01:16 AM   #97
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It's occurred to me that the shot of Smith at the end wasn't really meant to represent Hartnell's POV. Smith was standing in for us, the modern audience, looking back at Hartnell from our POV. I mean, this is really a pretty sad movie. Hartnell finally finds a role he loves, a professional family where he feels he belongs, but everyone leaves him and then he gets too ill to continue and they kick him out and his career withers and then he dies young and it's all very sad. So I think that final moment reflected our wish as fans -- and Mark Gatiss's wish as the writer -- that we could go back and communicate with Hartnell and tell him that what he started would leave a legacy stretching forward 50 years and more, and that he would always be remembered and cherished. To let him know, as it were, that there should be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties, because Doctor Who had gone forward in all its beliefs and proven to him that he was not mistaken in his.
Well well well said.
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Beautiful way to look at it, Christopher.
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Old December 8 2013, 05:46 PM   #99
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Excellent. Very effective. My favourite parts were the taking of the publicity shots to denote the passage of time, and how Hartnell's position in them changed. Very nice bit of drama. Sometimes I despair that the BBC can't do it any more. It was nice to be proved wrong.
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Old December 11 2013, 09:22 AM   #100
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Just saw it -- wonderful tribute to the show and the original cast & crew.

Anyone notice that Matt Smith puts his hands on the Tardis console the same way Jon Pertwee did in "Frontier in Space" when he contacted the Time Lords? Wonder if that was intended and whose idea it was.
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Old December 22 2013, 12:13 AM   #101
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TCM just showed the 1959 Peter Sellers film The Mouse that Roared, in which William Hartnell had a sizeable supporting role. And wouldn't you know it, his character was basically a drill sergeant, the sort of role he was typecast in before the Doctor. Interesting to get to see an example of that phase of Hartnell's career, but I can certainly see why he felt limited by it.
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Old January 2 2014, 12:05 AM   #102
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Not on Earth sure about that cameo from Matt Smith though. I mean Smith wasn't even born then. And I'm pretty sure William Hartnel never hallucinated Matt Smith being there while filming his regeneration. Plus in a few years time when Capaldi or even the 13th doctor is the current, that will definitely seem outdated. I mean in the long run, there's nothing really special about Smith out of all the doctors.
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My only problem with that is given how the series will have a long life at Matt Smith it doesn't feel like a real book end. It would have made more sense to create a montage of all the other actors that would play the Doctor instead of just one or two. Hell, maybe throw Peter Capaldi in there. In other words, pay homage to them all and not just the one currently in the spotlight.
I'm sorry for choosing these two posts as the sentiment was repeated by many through this thread. My question is - after having seen The Time of the Doctor has anyone elses opinion changed on the choice of Smith? Afterall, we now know that Smith actually was a "bookend" - he was the last Doctor of this cycle.

(although I still love Christopher's explanation)
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Old January 2 2014, 12:10 AM   #103
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TCM just showed the 1959 Peter Sellers film The Mouse that Roared, in which William Hartnell had a sizeable supporting role. And wouldn't you know it, his character was basically a drill sergeant, the sort of role he was typecast in before the Doctor. Interesting to get to see an example of that phase of Hartnell's career, but I can certainly see why he felt limited by it.
You can see him in a slightly different role from 1960 - here:

http://youtu.be/MgQ_l40HLPU?t=6m26s
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Not on Earth sure about that cameo from Matt Smith though. I mean Smith wasn't even born then. And I'm pretty sure William Hartnel never hallucinated Matt Smith being there while filming his regeneration. Plus in a few years time when Capaldi or even the 13th doctor is the current, that will definitely seem outdated. I mean in the long run, there's nothing really special about Smith out of all the doctors.
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My only problem with that is given how the series will have a long life at Matt Smith it doesn't feel like a real book end. It would have made more sense to create a montage of all the other actors that would play the Doctor instead of just one or two. Hell, maybe throw Peter Capaldi in there. In other words, pay homage to them all and not just the one currently in the spotlight.
I'm sorry for choosing these two posts as the sentiment was repeated by many through this thread. My question is - after having seen The Time of the Doctor has anyone elses opinion changed on the choice of Smith? Afterall, we now know that Smith actually was a "bookend" - he was the last Doctor of this cycle.

(although I still love Christopher's explanation)
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Not on Earth sure about that cameo from Matt Smith though. I mean Smith wasn't even born then. And I'm pretty sure William Hartnel never hallucinated Matt Smith being there while filming his regeneration. Plus in a few years time when Capaldi or even the 13th doctor is the current, that will definitely seem outdated. I mean in the long run, there's nothing really special about Smith out of all the doctors.
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My only problem with that is given how the series will have a long life at Matt Smith it doesn't feel like a real book end. It would have made more sense to create a montage of all the other actors that would play the Doctor instead of just one or two. Hell, maybe throw Peter Capaldi in there. In other words, pay homage to them all and not just the one currently in the spotlight.
I'm sorry for choosing these two posts as the sentiment was repeated by many through this thread. My question is - after having seen The Time of the Doctor has anyone elses opinion changed on the choice of Smith? Afterall, we now know that Smith actually was a "bookend" - he was the last Doctor of this cycle.

(although I still love Christopher's explanation)
"Good Heavens, So there are 13 of me now, hmmmm?"
"so you are my replacements, hmmm? A dandy and a clown. A hobo and a pretty boy. A psycho and a wizard. A pacifist and a warrior. A neurotic and a hyper active. A prepubescent and... Oh, now you look like a real charming gentleman, hmmm?"
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