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Old December 31 2013, 10:14 AM   #16
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Why wouldn't it be. After all the Ferengi are not part of UFP, but Nog went to Starfleet Academy.
Ensign Ro was already in Starfleet even though Bajor wasn't part of the UFP (at the time). So, being part of the UFP has never really been a requirement for acceptance to Starfleet.

I think that's kind of cool actually. As long as Starfleet Command are satisfied that the applicant isn't a spy for a competing political power, they'd probably accept anyone.
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Old December 31 2013, 09:43 PM   #17
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I don't regard those women as Orion. The Orions we've seen have skin a different shade and black hair. They were, quite frankly, much sexier than the Christmas colored cuties in NuTrek.
By that logic, Steve Buscemi must be a different species from Beyonce Knowles.
Not really--Luwazanna Troi is a different species from Rachel Garrett.
All I'm saying is, arguing that a different skin tone, hair color, or level of attractiveness means they must be a different species? It's a little bit silly.
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Old December 31 2013, 09:49 PM   #18
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Agreed, Sci.

Orions can't vary in skin tone? Seriously?

Pull the other one.
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Old December 31 2013, 11:29 PM   #19
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If that's what I said, you'd have a point. I never said MUST, I said--because they look like no Orion we've seen before beyond the green skin--that they could be (and I prefer to think are) another race. By your logic, Kermit and Yoda are Orions.

(Sucks when people misrepresent and over-simplify your argument, doesn't it?)
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Old December 31 2013, 11:45 PM   #20
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I see no reason why a sovereign Orion polity that meets the other requirements for Federation Membership could not join. If there's, say, an Orion Union and an Orion Republic, and the Orion Union governs its own solar system, is a liberal democracy, protects the natural rights of all its inhabitants, bans slavery and caste-based discrimination, etc., whilst the Orion Republic is a slave-based oligarchy? I see no reason why the Orion Union could not join the Federation while the Orion Republic stays out.
I suppose you're right. I was speaking more towards multiple states that share the same homeworld or system, like the Kes and Prytt in "Attached". Federation law clearly would not allow that. But in the example you just gave (when they control different worlds or systems altogether) I think it would be allowed.
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Old January 1 2014, 01:13 AM   #21
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If that's what I said, you'd have a point. I never said MUST, I said--because they look like no Orion we've seen before beyond the green skin--that they could be (and I prefer to think are) another race. By your logic, Kermit and Yoda are Orions.

(Sucks when people misrepresent and over-simplify your argument, doesn't it?)
Or, perhaps, simply misunderstand the argument? "I don't regard those women as Orion" does seem a rather definite statement, even if it's not exactly the same as saying "They must not be Orions.".
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Old January 1 2014, 01:37 AM   #22
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The male Orions in TAS were a pasty pale blue.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Unna...on_captain.jpg
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The male Orions in TAS were a pasty pale blue.
Must've been Brits. Can't believe they didn't go with Yvonne Craig or Susan Oliver Look-a-likes )
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Old January 1 2014, 06:02 AM   #24
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Can't believe they didn't go with Yvonne Craig or Susan Oliver Look-a-likes )
That would be Devna:
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Devna
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Old January 1 2014, 09:30 AM   #25
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If that's what I said, you'd have a point. I never said MUST, I said--because they look like no Orion we've seen before beyond the green skin--that they could be (and I prefer to think are) another race. By your logic, Kermit and Yoda are Orions.

(Sucks when people misrepresent and over-simplify your argument, doesn't it?)
Or, perhaps, simply misunderstand the argument? "I don't regard those women as Orion" does seem a rather definite statement, even if it's not exactly the same as saying "They must not be Orions.".
True, and thanks for being the voice of reason. I should make it clear: I know they are supposed to be Orion and expect the vast majority of fans to see them as such. I'm just throwing out a friendly--and, I hoped, fun--dissenting view. And, like I said, I see no reason why many Trek humanoids can't have green skin, just as the range of human skin tones is reflected in Bajorans, Vulcans, Klingons etc.
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Old January 1 2014, 03:52 PM   #26
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I agree. When i was in the army almost a decade ago, i served with muslims.
What relevance is their religion?

Were these Muslims Americans, British, French, Canadian or so on?

Or is this the tiresome confusion that "Muslim" is a racial term encompassing people from certain countries in the Middle East?
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Old January 3 2014, 10:27 PM   #27
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Can't believe they didn't go with Yvonne Craig or Susan Oliver Look-a-likes )
That would be Devna:
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Devna
She appears in A Choice of Futures, which I just read. Had no idea/forgotten she was the Orion in "The Time Trap" Though I thought she might be a previously encountered character.
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