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Old December 30 2013, 06:34 AM   #16
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Re: Will the Doctor still die on Trenzalore?

There shouldn't be cracks in their universe anymore.

The Cracks were in the universe before the Doctor rebooted it.

In the world as it stood where Prisoner Zero didn't eat Amy's family becuase there was no crack in her room.... The TARDIS didn't exist to blow up until after Amy wished him alive again.

The Daleks destroyed how many thousands, hundreds of thousands of TARDISES (Time and Relative Dimensions in Space Effing Space.) in the Time War and the Universe never blew up.
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Old December 30 2013, 01:14 PM   #17
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Re: Will the Doctor still die on Trenzalore?

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Or, the TARDIS reverted the desktop to the Eleventh's familiar one when he entered the tomb. She wasn't quite dead yet, was she?
This is the best answer.

Though, were all the vines and whatnot growing in there part of the desktop theme?
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Old December 30 2013, 05:28 PM   #18
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The Daleks destroyed how many thousands, hundreds of thousands of TARDISES (Time and Relative Dimensions in Space Effing Space.) in the Time War and the Universe never blew up.
How do you know that?
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Old December 30 2013, 08:29 PM   #19
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Or, the TARDIS reverted the desktop to the Eleventh's familiar one when he entered the tomb. She wasn't quite dead yet, was she?
This is the best answer.

Though, were all the vines and whatnot growing in there part of the desktop theme?
I like that answer too.

And the TARDIS is a drama queen.
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Old December 30 2013, 09:22 PM   #20
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Re: Will the Doctor still die on Trenzalore?

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The Daleks destroyed how many thousands, hundreds of thousands of TARDISES (Time and Relative Dimensions in Space Effing Space.) in the Time War and the Universe never blew up.
How do you know that?
We only ever saw the Doctor's TARDIS in any battle scenes. Otherwise it was guys with lasers shooting at the Daleks.

Some time-war, huh?
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Old December 30 2013, 11:48 PM   #21
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Re: Will the Doctor still die on Trenzalore?

When does the Doctor discover he's going to die on Trenzalore, anyway? He couldn't have know it during Series 6, but the eleventh seems to expect the tenth to recognize the name.
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Old December 30 2013, 11:50 PM   #22
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I thought he learned it from Dorium in "The Wedding of River Song."
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Old December 31 2013, 12:00 AM   #23
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Re: Will the Doctor still die on Trenzalore?

Dorium: But you're a fool, nonetheless. It's all still waiting for you - the fields of Trenzalore, the fall of the Eleventh, and the Question.The Doctor: [Saluting as he exits] Goodbye, Dorium.Dorium: [Shouting after him] The first question! The question that must never be answered! Hidden in plain sight! The question you've been running from all your life! Doctor Who? Doctor Who? Doc — tor — who?!
Indeed it wsa Dorium who we first learn it from.
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Old December 31 2013, 12:07 AM   #24
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^ Yep, it could be Doctor #25 that dies there.

There would still be a TARDIS tomb, but it would be harder to explain why it was Matt's control room.

I'm certain Moffat knew he was going to give the Doctor more regenerations in TTOTD when he wrote TDOTD, or much earlier.
Given that earlier the Doctor and Tasha go on about the nature of Kovarian's act of trying to change history and instead becoming part of it, I'd say its entirely possible the Doctor could do the same.

TARDIS console rooms are stored - and that one's already been in use for longer than many of the others, perhaps it's now the default setting. I can't see the BBC changing it too drastically either. Its a standing set.

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Indeed it wsa Dorium who we first learn it from.
Which makes Dorium's timeline interesting. Unless he learns it from a time traveller.
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Old December 31 2013, 11:37 AM   #25
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OP here.

I am pleasantly surprised that so many people here dont automatically think the Doctor's Past/Planet's Future no longer happens based on, from what I can tell the very little evidence.

The below(and no doubt other) articles seem to say without a doubt that those events will not happen.

Can someone with the knowledge of how to edit the page, do so. So the above is reflected and explain it in the notes so other contributors don't revert it.

At very least, it is unknown and should say as such.
The next episode may explain it. It may indeed be why the TARDIS is crashing..

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Siege_of_Trenzalore

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Trenzalore

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doc...S#Destructions
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Old December 31 2013, 01:59 PM   #26
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My view is the Doctor changed history. If he didn't, then the storyline wasn't resolved. And it's obvious to me the intent was to resolve it.
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Old January 1 2014, 06:25 AM   #27
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Re: Will the Doctor still die on Trenzalore?

Ar-Pharazon wrote: View Post
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The Daleks destroyed how many thousands, hundreds of thousands of TARDISES (Time and Relative Dimensions in Space Effing Space.) in the Time War and the Universe never blew up.
How do you know that?
We only ever saw the Doctor's TARDIS in any battle scenes. Otherwise it was guys with lasers shooting at the Daleks.

Some time-war, huh?
Don't forget the genesis Ark.

Millions of imprisoned Daleks.

They were trapped or herded in there by probably an equivalent force.

Remember Journey's End?

DOCTOR: Last time we fought the Daleks, they were scavengers and hybrids, and mad. But this is a fully-fledged Dalek Empire, at the height of its power. Experts at fighting Tardises, they can do anything. Right now, that wooden door is just wood.
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Old January 1 2014, 09:07 AM   #28
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But wouldn't the Doctor seeing his own grave make it a fixed point in time and if he doesn't die there then it's a big paradox mess right?
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Old January 1 2014, 09:32 AM   #29
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That's not what a fixed point is.

A fixed point is something you can't change with all your might.

What happened here was a paradox (foreknowledge from crossing his own timeline.) which is just a messy complicated clusterfuck it's sensible to avoid if you have a choice before it spins more out of control.

It's actually the opposite of a fixed point in time.
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Old January 1 2014, 03:25 PM   #30
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That's not what a fixed point is.

A fixed point is something you can't change with all your might.
For example knowing that Amy and Rory are dead.
So wouldn't knowing he dies on Trenzalore be the same?
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