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View Poll Results: Rate Peaceable Kingdoms.
Outstanding 18 20.69%
Above Average 36 41.38%
Average 29 33.33%
Below Average 3 3.45%
Poor 1 1.15%
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Old December 30 2013, 01:37 AM   #16
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Re: TF: Peaceable Kingdoms by Dayton Ward Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Why did you guys put your rankings in spoiler codes? I don't see why what the order you rank the books really spoiling anything for anybody.

I think I remember reading somewhere that the end of this was supposed to bring about big almost Destiny level changes to the Trekverse, would those of you who read it say that it did?
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Old December 30 2013, 04:21 AM   #17
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My thought process was that its not technically related to the discussion, so more of an aside rather than a spoiler.

As far as changes to the galaxy...I would say no. No where near as much as Destiny. I can see how it might change the novel-verse for a little bit, as the ending does set the stage for some different stories to be told. I wouldn't go into it expecting a huge toss up though.
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Old December 30 2013, 06:34 PM   #18
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I enjoyed it and found it a suitable wrap-up to the series. I did notice the reference to Arcturus as a smuggling haven and it took a bit of time to register where I'd heard that before. Way back when in "Entropy Effect". Nice callback, Dayton.

As an aside, I wonder about the Andorians who were trying to solve the reproduction crisis by transporter-duplicating (ala Tom Riker) Andorians. Is that going to come up again now that the background crisis is resolved?
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Old December 30 2013, 06:38 PM   #19
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I did notice the reference to Arcturus as a smuggling haven and it took a bit of time to register where I'd heard that before. Way back when in "Entropy Effect". Nice callback, Dayton.
Ward's also referenced it in that context already, during Vanguard, if I recall.
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Old December 30 2013, 10:13 PM   #20
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Why did you guys put your rankings in spoiler codes? I don't see why what the order you rank the books really spoiling anything for anybody.

I think I remember reading somewhere that the end of this was supposed to bring about big almost Destiny level changes to the Trekverse, would those of you who read it say that it did?
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My thought process was that its not technically related to the discussion, so more of an aside rather than a spoiler.
Yeah, that was my thought process as well, though I also thought that it was better to give people the option to not see where it ranked, in case they wanted to read the book unbiased. (On the other hand, why such people would be reading this thread is beyond me.)

As far as changes to the galaxy...I would say no. No where near as much as Destiny. I can see how it might change the novel-verse for a little bit, as the ending does set the stage for some different stories to be told. I wouldn't go into it expecting a huge toss up though.
Hmm, I would agree that it's not quite as galaxy-changing as Destiny. But I think The Fall will have basically as profound an effect on the novel series as Destiny did. Bigger real-world changes than in-universe changes. (Though there are some big in-universe changes, too.) I would say that the amount of toss-up suggested by the ending of The Poisoned Chalice is a reasonable expectation.
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Old December 31 2013, 12:34 AM   #21
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Just downloaded the book on my Kindle.
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Old December 31 2013, 02:12 AM   #22
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How significant could it be since the Hobus event is approaching?
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Old December 31 2013, 06:50 AM   #23
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Just downloaded it. I look forward to reading!

Did anyone else have issues with a Nook?
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Old December 31 2013, 11:59 AM   #24
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Read it - my major and quick thought about this arc (rather than individual novel) is one of indifference, the set-up suggests something far more interesting than what we get as a conclusion and a lot of the situations are repetitive from book to book.
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Old December 31 2013, 01:15 PM   #25
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Re: TF: Peaceable Kingdoms by Dayton Ward Review Thread (Spoilers!)

^That sounds a bit like how I felt with Worlds of DS9.
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Old December 31 2013, 01:21 PM   #26
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^That sounds a bit like how I felt with Worlds of DS9.
The problem is that the book (and the arc) are weirdly paced, the 'secret' is revealed about a third of the way through the book and you think it must be the first part of a larger reveal because it's such a mundane overused cliche but then it turns out to be all there is to it.

I just don't get why so thin an arc required five books.
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Old December 31 2013, 05:22 PM   #27
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Finished the book about 30 mins ago. It is good book, but the weakest of the The Fall series.[...]
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My rankings would be, from best to worst:
So - Peaceable Kingdoms, weaker than even Revelation and Dust?

This is...quite damning.
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Old December 31 2013, 05:59 PM   #28
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I think that's a matter of opinion, personally. To me, Revelation and Dust is still the weakest. Half the plot had nothing to do with The Fall. Its hard to come back from that.

I don't think this book is bad, or badly written. I enjoyed reading it well enough. But because it is the final entry of the series, it is going to hold the weight of any criticisms about The Fall in general. [For which there are quite a few.]
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Old December 31 2013, 06:06 PM   #29
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I read Revelation and Dust as well. It's essentially a prologue following an episode recap.

Seeing Peaceable Kingdoms rated lower by more than a poster...well, final entry or not, it doesn't inspire confidence. At all.
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Old December 31 2013, 06:43 PM   #30
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Since it is officially spoiler time, here are some of my thoughts about the problems going on with The Fall:

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