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Old December 29 2013, 10:49 PM   #31
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Re: Has Nuke power just nukedthefridge, worse than 3 Mile Island?

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All US domestic electricity needs can be met with renewable sources. There is no need to take the risk of further expansion of nuclear energy and the burden of the waste products it produces.
Expansion reduces the risk with newer better designed plants taking over for older ones. We already have waste from the Cold War. We can either bury it--or use it. We are going to have to deal with it anyway. I think leaving it atop solid fueled ICBMs surrounded by high explosives is more un-nerving. And breeder reactors mean renewable.
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Old December 31 2013, 09:37 AM   #32
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Of course, the excessive regulations implemented around nuclear power drove everyone away from nuclear power and into far less safe, far deadlier energy sources.
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Old December 31 2013, 09:59 AM   #33
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Re: Has Nuke power just nukedthefridge, worse than 3 Mile Island?

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Have you even read the rest of my previous post?
Even with Chernobyl and Fukushima (which are becoming increasingly less likely), nuclear energy is FAR safer than any other. Which is proven with peer-reviewed papers:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?...8&postcount=19

All you have are anecdotes and alarmistic hand-waving. Lol.
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Old December 31 2013, 10:41 AM   #34
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All you have are anecdotes and alarmistic hand-waving. Lol.
Navy Quartermasters Jamie Plime and Maurice Ennes tell their stories
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3wo_Xykg1E
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Old December 31 2013, 11:11 AM   #35
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As said - anecdotes and alarmistic hand-waving.
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Old January 2 2014, 06:46 PM   #36
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Have you even read the rest of my previous post?
Even with Chernobyl and Fukushima (which are becoming increasingly less likely), nuclear energy is FAR safer than any other. Which is proven with peer-reviewed papers:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?...8&postcount=19
Supporters of nuclear energy can quote all of the stats they'd like about safety - but average people are programmed to fear radiation which is a invisibile, silent, and deadly killer. Moreover, no one wants a plant near their neighborhood.

Additionally the plants are extremely expensive to build and maintain and the US still doesn't have a long-term plan to store the waste.

IMO over the next 20 - 30 years the best choice in the US for electricity generation the most cost effectively and while limiting the affect of fossil fuel usage on the environemnt is natural gas. The US has discovered massive new natural gas reserves in just the past decade and it's estimated that with fracking trillions of more cubic metres can be inepxensively extracted.

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Old January 2 2014, 07:00 PM   #37
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Re: Has Nuke power just nukedthefridge, worse than 3 Mile Island?

Discussion of nuclear power's safety usually ignores one of its huge externalities: waste storage. It's expensive, unreliable, and can have dire environmental consequences if not done properly.
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Old January 2 2014, 07:05 PM   #38
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^^ Additionally, the only serious location currently in the US is the Yucca Valley facility in the Nevada. Nevada residents for the most part are opposed to using it as the US primary repistory for nuclear waste and so long as Nevada is a key electoral state in Presidential elections - IMO that location is off the table.
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Yeah, and as far as I know, that means most/all nuclear waste in the US is being stored on-site in conditions that aren't really long-term sustainable. We have to figure out something to do with it. It's a problem you can't just handwave away.
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Old January 2 2014, 11:20 PM   #40
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All US domestic electricity needs can be met with renewable sources. There is no need to take the risk of further expansion of nuclear energy and the burden of the waste products it produces.
Expansion reduces the risk with newer better designed plants taking over for older ones. We already have waste from the Cold War. We can either bury it--or use it. We are going to have to deal with it anyway. I think leaving it atop solid fueled ICBMs surrounded by high explosives is more un-nerving. And breeder reactors mean renewable.
How many cities have had to be abandoned because a windmill broke down? Nuclear power isn't worth the risk when cleaner longer term alternatives are so readily available.
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Old January 3 2014, 06:44 PM   #41
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How many cities have had to be abandoned because a windmill broke down? Nuclear power isn't worth the risk when cleaner longer term alternatives are so readily available.
When you add in the fully loaded costs into all the of the existing sources and balance that against enviornmental factors I think it's clear that natural gas is the best choice over the next 50 - 60 years. It's estimated that with existing known reserves in the US we have a 60 year + supply and this isn't facotring in new finds and that fracking has produced new supplies.

As an aside, I think it's interesting to note that Germany is going to abandon nuclear power by 2022 but is the largest international manufactuerer of the plants internationally in the world.

E.ON is one of Germany's largest companies and exports nuclear power worldwide.

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Old January 3 2014, 08:41 PM   #42
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Liquid fluoride thorium reactors are almost certainly the way to go from almost any standpoint. Youtube has lots of presentations about them from Kirk Sorensen who left NASA to found Flibe energy.
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Old January 3 2014, 09:10 PM   #43
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How many cities have had to be abandoned because a windmill broke down? Nuclear power isn't worth the risk when cleaner longer term alternatives are so readily available.
When you add in the fully loaded costs into all the of the existing sources and balance that against enviornmental factors I think it's clear that natural gas is the best choice over the next 50 - 60 years. It's estimated that with existing known reserves in the US we have a 60 year + supply and this isn't facotring in new finds and that fracking has produced new supplies.

As an aside, I think it's interesting to note that Germany is going to abandon nuclear power by 2022 but is the largest international manufactuerer of the plants internationally in the world.

E.ON is one of Germany's largest companies and exports nuclear power worldwide.
So what enviromental factors are you willing to put up with, and what enviromental factors are you willing to burdurn our children with?
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Old January 3 2014, 11:52 PM   #44
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How many cities have had to be abandoned because a windmill broke down? Nuclear power isn't worth the risk when cleaner longer term alternatives are so readily available.
How many cities are powered by wind? Aside from the high-levelized grid cost of wind power, it's intermittent. If you tried to power a city entirely with windmills and the wind died, or if the windmills are hit with an ice storm, the city would go dark just when power was most needed. Thousands would die freezing in their homes, and soon gangs of warring bandits would form, preying on the weak and infirm. It would soon resemble Leningrad during the Nazi siege, and those who didn't make it out on foot (because they'd have no way to charge their little electric cars) would soon resort to cannibalism.
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Old January 4 2014, 02:39 AM   #45
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Cannibalism? Exaggerate much?
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