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Old December 26 2013, 03:15 AM   #16
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Re: What is Carol's official position on the five-year mission?

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I thought King Daniel Into Darkness response very much nailed it. He listed the facts in evidence as demonstrated by canon so beyond his comments would be pure speculation/wishful thinking, anyway.
lsn't this forum all about speculation and wishful thinking?
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Old December 27 2013, 01:28 AM   #17
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Re: What is Carol's official position on the five-year mission?

Exactly! For example, my wishful thinking is speculating that, upon the faintest hint of the merest possibility of danger, Carol will cling to Kirk, informing him, breathlessly: "Captain ... I'm frightened."
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Old December 28 2013, 04:15 PM   #18
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Re: WHAT IS CAROL'S OFFICIAL POSITION ON THE FIVE YEAR MISSION?

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Spock calls her "an additional science officer", so I assume she'll be part of his department. She's also a weapons' specialist, which will no doubt come in handy.
In the movie, it seems she took advantage of Spock being reassigned to get herself aboard the Enterprise. But then Kirk was allowed to retain Spock, and her orders were never changed. Had events not unfolded as they did, it probably would've been cleared up by moving Carol to another post on the Enterprise or assigning her to another ship.

As it is, she's on the five-year mission, and my guess is she'd defer to Spock as science officer and fall back on her expertise in weaponry to define her formal position on the ship. Since weapons are a part of security, that would mean changing into a red uniform, of course, God help her.
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Old December 28 2013, 04:28 PM   #19
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Re: What is Carol's official position on the five-year mission?

I thought Carol sort of snuck aboard.

Spock found out - but didn't tell Kirk until later.
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Old December 28 2013, 05:50 PM   #20
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Re: WHAT IS CAROL'S OFFICIAL POSITION ON THE FIVE YEAR MISSION?

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Spock calls her "an additional science officer", so I assume she'll be part of his department. She's also a weapons' specialist, which will no doubt come in handy.
In the movie, it seems she took advantage of Spock being reassigned to get herself aboard the Enterprise. But then Kirk was allowed to retain Spock, and her orders were never changed. Had events not unfolded as they did, it probably would've been cleared up by moving Carol to another post on the Enterprise or assigning her to another ship.

As it is, she's on the five-year mission, and my guess is she'd defer to Spock as science officer and fall back on her expertise in weaponry to define her formal position on the ship. Since weapons are a part of security, that would mean changing into a red uniform, of course, God help her.
You're thinking 24th Century. In TOS weapons were Gold/Command. Sulu and Chekov fired weapons and the phaser crew in BOT wore gold.

Also,Lt Masters worked with engineering as a blueshirt.
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Old December 28 2013, 05:56 PM   #21
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Since weapons are a part of security, that would mean changing into a red uniform, of course, God help her.
Being a redshirt isn't as dangerous if your character shield is good enough, just ask Chekov.
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Old December 28 2013, 07:23 PM   #22
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Re: What is Carol's official position on the five-year mission?

I'd be okay if she was just a science officer or perhaps deputy science officer (if she really needed a title). Instead of having Chekov fill in for Spock when he was away from the bridge sciences station in TOS, it'd be Carol now.
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Old December 28 2013, 09:57 PM   #23
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Re: What is Carol's official position on the five-year mission?

Carol's position on the five-year-mission:

She's at her duty station, sitting down, and facing front.
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Old December 28 2013, 11:30 PM   #24
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If it's up to Kirk, it'll be anything but Missionary


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Her 'official' position?

"Captain's Woman".
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Kirk's yeoman, perhaps cocktease if she doesn't play along.
I'm pretty sure we can do better than this.
Indeed. The real question is "how much better?"
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Old December 29 2013, 02:11 AM   #25
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Re: WHAT IS CAROL'S OFFICIAL POSITION ON THE FIVE YEAR MISSION?

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Spock calls her "an additional science officer", so I assume she'll be part of his department. She's also a weapons' specialist, which will no doubt come in handy.
In the movie, it seems she took advantage of Spock being reassigned to get herself aboard the Enterprise. But then Kirk was allowed to retain Spock, and her orders were never changed. Had events not unfolded as they did, it probably would've been cleared up by moving Carol to another post on the Enterprise or assigning her to another ship.

As it is, she's on the five-year mission, and my guess is she'd defer to Spock as science officer and fall back on her expertise in weaponry to define her formal position on the ship. Since weapons are a part of security, that would mean changing into a red uniform, of course, God help her.
You're thinking 24th Century. In TOS weapons were Gold/Command. Sulu and Chekov fired weapons and the phaser crew in BOT wore gold.

Also,Lt Masters worked with engineering as a blueshirt.
I think red was ship security and weapons in TOS. Security Chief Giotto wore red in "Devil in the Dark". Chief engineer Olson was the one given the explosives in ST09. Although the uniforms were different by TUC, Scotty seemed to be in charge of noting the photon torpedo complement. Scotty was the one who had to sign off on the torpedoes in STID. Of course, it could be since gold shirts are probably trained in weapons strategy and tactics as part of command training, they would be the bridge officers in charge of weaponry. Being a scientist (probably an engineer in at least some capacity) specializing in weapons development, it seemed to me Marcus's best fit was with the red shirts.

Then again, the colors were sometimes problematic, Spock was first officer but always wore sciences blue. Scotty was third in command but was in the engineering division. It could be when an officer's training crossed divisions, the color he or she wore was the officer's prerogative, or the color fit with the officer's primary duties aboard the ship, not the secondary ones.

To an extent, we're also trying to explain inconsistencies (phaser crew in gold in BOT) that the producers of TOS probably didn't give much thought to at the time. Then again, as fans, that's part of our job.
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Old December 29 2013, 02:51 AM   #26
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I think red was ship security and weapons in TOS. Security Chief Giotto wore red in "Devil in the Dark". Of course, it could be since gold shirts are probably trained in weapons strategy and tactics as part of command training, they would be the bridge officers in charge of weaponry. Being a scientist (probably an engineer in at least some capacity) specializing in weapons development, it seemed to me Marcus's best fit was with the red shirts.
You're assuming that security and weapons are the same thing. Giotto was security chief, but I don't think he was ever mention of as being in charge of weapons.

Carol is a physicist, not an engineer.
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Old December 29 2013, 04:56 PM   #27
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A Christmas Festival wrote: View Post
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Underwear model.
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If it's up to Kirk, it'll be anything but Missionary
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Her 'official' position?

"Captain's Woman".
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Kirk's yeoman, perhaps cocktease if she doesn't play along.
I'm pretty sure we can do better than this.
Indeed. The real question is "how much better?"
Why should we have to do any better than the movie did her? These comments all meet the bar that the movie set; indeed, were directly inspired by the movie. How they handled Bibi Besch's character and her portrayal had class.

Someone above said she'd be under Spock. I beg to differ. I'd say it's under Kirk most of the time.
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Old December 29 2013, 05:14 PM   #28
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I'm pretty sure we can do better than this.
Indeed. The real question is "how much better?"
Why should we have to do any better than the movie did her? These comments all meet the bar that the movie set; indeed, were directly inspired by the movie.
You're* not in the movie; you're* in this forum, and I expect better. Your* opinions about the treatment of a particular detail or character in the movie have no bearing on that.

Also: you're** grandstanding again. We've talked about that, and you** know you're** not supposed to do it.


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Old December 30 2013, 01:44 AM   #29
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I like Carol's skin as much as the next guy. But when you grow up you learn to be more subtle. It seems the writers had not gotten past the stage where blatant staring, so to speak, is de rigueur. They, at least, could have expected such reactions at the character's and actress's expense. The jokes seem to me to be a natural consequence of it, and the topic title seems to beg for it.
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Old December 31 2013, 12:47 AM   #30
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A major chunk of the Enterprise's mission is scientific research. She'd be a science officer assigned to the physical sciences division who would do rotations on bridge duty, research, engineering maintenance, and landing party duty. Simples.
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