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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grade "The Time Of The Doctor"
Geronimo! 64 30.48%
Fish Fingers and Custard 84 40.00%
Average 36 17.14%
Not Good 21 10.00%
Beans are evil. Bad bad beans! | 5 2.38%
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Old December 28 2013, 03:59 PM   #301
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No, Capaldi is now number 14 of 25. (12 original plus a new cycle of 12, minus the original).
Ultimately, Peter Capaldi is the Doctor, and it's the only thing that matters.
True. While some fans will always argue over the numbering on internet message boards, for everyone else Capaldi is the Twelfth Doctor with plenty of regenerations left to come.
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Old December 28 2013, 04:39 PM   #302
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But the problem is there is nothing in the episode that states they can't simply reopen the crack after he has killed the Daleks.
How is that a problem? There is something much better: the Time Lords don't reopen the crack after he has killed the Daleks. We see that they don't. If they could do it, they probably would. Not everything has to be said out loud.
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Old December 28 2013, 04:43 PM   #303
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I'll be quite disappointed if Capaldi's first episode doesn't deal with the continuation of the Trenzalore standoff.
And I'll be very surprised if it does. After all, back after A Good Man Goes to War aired lots of people seemed convinced that we were in for a future episode where the Doctor goes to that forest planet the soldier girl was from. But than never happened.

I'm of the opinion Capaldi's first episode will be about the Doctor going through his post-regenerative shakedown while on an adventure with Vastra, Jenny and Strax.
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Old December 28 2013, 04:55 PM   #304
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If I were writing the first episode, it wouldn't have anything to do with "The Time of the Doctor". It would be a standalone story set on present day Earth, where Clara has to defeat aliens while dragging along a less-than-helpful post-generation Doctor.
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Old December 28 2013, 05:27 PM   #305
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If I were writing the first episode, it wouldn't have anything to do with "The Time of the Doctor". It would be a standalone story set on present day Earth, where Clara has to defeat aliens while dragging along a less-than-helpful post-generation Doctor.
That's a good idea. Maybe the Doctor could sleep through 2/3rds of the episode to get better... oh wait!
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Old December 28 2013, 05:27 PM   #306
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Isn't that "Christmas Invasion"?
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Old December 28 2013, 05:31 PM   #307
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^ The Seventh Doctor was dying of old age also. Before his abrupt murder by heart probe at the hands of Dr. Grace Holloway.
Hahahaha.... That death was stupid.
Was there any indication how long the 7th Doctor had lived prior to falling victim of a second rate cardiologist?
Been a long time since I saw the TV movie but I recall that in the opening narrative, there's a line along the lines of 'I was coming towards the end of my 7th incarnation.' No years specified, though.
Yeah, but that was narrated by the 8th doctor who was probably referring to his death by surgery.

Also I can't really think of a reason why an already dying 7th Doctor would head to Skaro just to get the Master's charred corpse when he could wait to regenerate first then do it.
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Old December 28 2013, 05:38 PM   #308
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I really liked The Time of the Doctor much better on second viewing without the constant and way too commercial interruptions from BBCA. There is a good combination of humor and fun with some really touching and poignant moments. I did think the holographic clothes joke at Clara's family dinner fell flat. But I loved the moment where Clara hugs her grandma and starts to cry, the scene where the Doctor and Clara watch the sunrise and the scene where Clara meets the old Doctor at the end. The last 10 minutes from Clara's plea to the Time Lords through the Crack to the end is perfect and beautiful and 11's farewell speech moved me to tears.

A few questions/observations I had:

1) How did the Doctor not know it was Trenzalore? Doesn't the Tardis have excellent stellar cartography? In the past, he's been able to look at the monitor and know where and when he has landed yet here he seems clueless that the planet is Trenzalore until Tasha Lem tells him.

2) Shouldn't the Doctor have known that if he dies of old age then the Daleks still win so try to come up with a better endgame? Sure it is nice that he spends his all life defending the town but if the Daleks ultimately win because he dies of old age then what was the point?
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Old December 28 2013, 05:47 PM   #309
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All the lives save until then, keep in mind we are talking about at least a dozen generation of Christmas town folks here.
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Old December 28 2013, 06:38 PM   #310
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If I were writing the first episode, it wouldn't have anything to do with "The Time of the Doctor". It would be a standalone story set on present day Earth, where Clara has to defeat aliens while dragging along a less-than-helpful post-generation Doctor.
That's a good idea. Maybe the Doctor could sleep through 2/3rds of the episode to get better... oh wait!
Heh. Yeah, or it could be a different story. Anyway, my point is that I wouldn't waste what is a perfect opportunity to make a new introduction episode for new viewers.
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Old December 28 2013, 07:11 PM   #311
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If I were writing the first episode, it wouldn't have anything to do with "The Time of the Doctor". It would be a standalone story set on present day Earth, where Clara has to defeat aliens while dragging along a less-than-helpful post-generation Doctor.
That's a good idea. Maybe the Doctor could sleep through 2/3rds of the episode to get better... oh wait!
He could try and strangle Clara or jump rope with her and tie her upside down in a closet.
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Old December 28 2013, 07:48 PM   #312
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1) How did the Doctor not know it was Trenzalore? Doesn't the Tardis have excellent stellar cartography? In the past, he's been able to look at the monitor and know where and when he has landed yet here he seems clueless that the planet is Trenzalore until Tasha Lem tells him
He asked what planet they were at and it said Gallifrey. The crack was obscuring the data.
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Old December 28 2013, 07:53 PM   #313
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Overall I thought it was fantastic. It was somewhat rushed/overstuffed - like we could have spent a whole series, or at least a half-series here dealing with the various things that transpired Angels somehow getting here first (why?), the Church's machinations and the revelation of the Crack, the Wooden Cyberman, the Siege of Trenzalore, the Dalek betrayal and slaughter of the Papal Mainframe, the reveal of Madame Kovarian's breakaway sect being responsible for so much through Smith's run, and especially the unexpected but awesome Doctor + Silence taking on the Daleks.

Still - I loved every blistering second of what we got. And everything from Clara coming back for one last time through the end was beautiful. The regeneration scene and Amy's surprise cameo especially was much more of a tearjerker than I'd ever have guessed. "Good night Raggedy Man."

I don't think Tasha Lem was meant to be River, and honestly I'm okay with that. There was similarity but I think when the Doctor said "fight the psychopath inside you" he was talking about the Dalek, not an internal River-ness.
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Old December 28 2013, 09:04 PM   #314
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Yeah, but he also said, she has been fighting the psychopath inside her all her life, so she can do it again now against the Dalek. That screams River to me, plus minor stuff like her being against aging, able to fly the TARDIS and a seemingly rich history with the Doctor.
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Yeah, but he also said, she has been fighting the psychopath inside her all her life, so she can do it again now against the Dalek. That screams River to me, plus minor stuff like her being against aging, able to fly the TARDIS and a seemingly rich history with the Doctor.
I'm forced to agree. I was getting River vibes from her throughout the whole episode, especially during the psychopath line.

Maybe River's consciousness in the Library somehow becomes the Papal Mainframe or something...somewhere down the road.

Although this does become contradicted by Tesha's surprise at his "new" body.
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