Anyone Else Love "Whom Gods Destroy"? - Page 2

pookha · May 12 2007, 12:47 PM

yeah it was at both fun interesting camp that really did make you wonder about some stuff.
and that was a dark moment in trek that they really did blow her up like that.

i wish we had learned more about garth.

Steve67 · May 12 2007, 02:55 PM

I'd probably put Whom Gods Destroy in my top five, right up there with "This Side of Paradise" and "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" That should give you some indication of my good/bad taste!

I, too, would have liked to have seen more of Garth, especially since he was on the "road to recovery" by episode's end. Maybe there's some fanfic...

Just watched the 1968 film "Madigan", in which our man Ihnat has a decent part. My wife couldn't identify him until she remembered the time I told her how Ihnat "vanishes" into a role and only then did she recognize him. He did the same thing to me in that "Big Valley" episode where Victoria teaches some outlaw to read. Ihnat played an outlaw in the guy's gang.

He also appears in a few "Mission: Impossible" eps, most notably as Stefan Miklos in season three(!) of that show.

Therin of Andor · May 12 2007, 03:10 PM

Steve67 said:
I, too, would have liked to have seen more of Garth, especially since he was on the "road to recovery" by episode's end. Maybe there's some fanfic...

Garth turns out to be unveiled as the mysterious and sinister Captain Zair (anagram of Izar) in Peter David's last few comics for Series I of the DC Comics TOS movie-era line, and the convoluted plot he was a part of is eventually completed in Peter David's TNG novel, "Strike Zone".

Steve67 · May 12 2007, 05:21 PM

Therin of Andor said:

Steve67 said:
I, too, would have liked to have seen more of Garth, especially since he was on the "road to recovery" by episode's end. Maybe there's some fanfic...

Garth turns out to be unveiled as the mysterious and sinister Captain Zair (anagram of Izar) in Peter David's last few comics for Series I of the DC Comics TOS movie-era line, and the convoluted plot he was a part of is eventually completed in Peter David's TNG novel, "Strike Zone".

I was determined not to learn anything today,

but thanks so much for mentioning those comics. I have fond memories of DC's "Mirror, Mirror" sequel and I will check out those others you mentioned.

Therin of Andor · May 13 2007, 12:34 AM

Actually, I'm just realizing that ex-Captain Phil Burroughs was aka "Zair", in Garth's honour(?), but Garth definitely comes into the action a few issues later, seeking vengeance against Kirk.

You're looking for several linked story arcs of Series I - all the Peter David stuff, probably - that features Moron/Bernie, the dwarf albino Klingon.

Trekwatcher · May 13 2007, 02:01 AM

Love it?-No. Like it a lot? Sure. Lots of good moments in this one.

Broccoli · May 13 2007, 08:21 AM

Classic episode.

Garth of Izar is probably one of my favorite guest characters of all Trek.

Without giving any spoilers, is the book based on him, aptly named "Garth of Izar," any good?

Brutal Strudel · May 13 2007, 01:18 PM

Trek at its campy best. It's as if the Adam West Batman show took us into Arkham. :thumbsup:

Juzam Djinn · May 16 2007, 12:38 AM

UWC Defiance said:
Actually, no. It's a dreadful bit of television flotsam.

Since it was braodcast on purpose, wouldn't it be a dreadful piece of television jetsam?

Juzam, sometime pedant.

Plum · May 16 2007, 01:34 AM

^^^
You're thinking of a chapter in Lord of the Rings.

Terrible ep, for any show. Flotsam it is if only because it shows up in syndication.

Steven Of Nine · May 16 2007, 04:14 PM

Not only is Marta awfully nice to look at, but the great, great line in this one..

Lord Garth!!

... makes me smile every time. Love it.

Always figured Spock to be getting a bit over on Kirk with the fight at the end.

Plum · May 16 2007, 08:44 PM

It does have some great lines, and Martia the insane Orion girl was the best part of the show. Nice dancing eh?

This ep could have been something easily it seems, good actors and meaty dialog. But the production of the ep is noticeably crap. I don't recall who directed this one, but I gotta wonder if there was a lot of drinking on set... something.

Red Ranger · May 16 2007, 08:50 PM

People,

It's not a good ep, but it can be campy fun. My favorite Garth line is when he just gets fed up with Spock's contradictory answers and yells, "REMOVE THIS ANIMAL!"

And oh yes, the lovely Marta, played by Yvonne Craig, who also played the scrumptious and leggy Batgirl! She and Uhura (esp. MU Uhura) were the hottest TOS women of all time!

Red Ranger

A beaker full of death · May 16 2007, 09:12 PM

Sure it's a good ep. Has kind of a The Prisoner vibe to it.

ToddPence · May 16 2007, 11:21 PM

Easily one of the best of the third season. It gets some criticism for supposedly having Spock look stupid at the end of the episode, but dramatically could it really have been written any other way? It would also have been a better episode if they had let Garth in Kirk's guise get aboard the ship. What ever happened to the drug that seemed to work at the end of this episode? Dr. Sevrin ("The Way to Eden") and Janice Lester ("Turnabout Intruder") were both pronounced insane in episodes following this one, and no mention is made of using the drug to cure their insanity.

May 12 2007, 12:47 PM	#16
pookha Admiral Location: pookha	Re: Anyone Else Love "Whom Gods Destroy"? yeah it was at both fun interesting camp that really did make you wonder about some stuff. and that was a dark moment in trek that they really did blow her up like that. i wish we had learned more about garth. __________________ avatar by ?

May 12 2007, 02:55 PM	#17
Steve67 Commander Location: 'The Transformed Man' Recording Sessions	Re: Anyone Else Love "Whom Gods Destroy"? I'd probably put Whom Gods Destroy in my top five, right up there with "This Side of Paradise" and "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" That should give you some indication of my good/bad taste! I, too, would have liked to have seen more of Garth, especially since he was on the "road to recovery" by episode's end. Maybe there's some fanfic... Just watched the 1968 film "Madigan", in which our man Ihnat has a decent part. My wife couldn't identify him until she remembered the time I told her how Ihnat "vanishes" into a role and only then did she recognize him. He did the same thing to me in that "Big Valley" episode where Victoria teaches some outlaw to read. Ihnat played an outlaw in the guy's gang. He also appears in a few "Mission: Impossible" eps, most notably as Stefan Miklos in season three(!) of that show. __________________ "Come, come, Mr. Scott. Young minds, fresh ideas. Be tolerant!"

May 13 2007, 12:34 AM	#20
Therin of Andor Admiral Location: New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)	Re: Anyone Else Love "Whom Gods Destroy"? Actually, I'm just realizing that ex-Captain Phil Burroughs was aka "Zair", in Garth's honour(?), but Garth definitely comes into the action a few issues later, seeking vengeance against Kirk. You're looking for several linked story arcs of Series I - all the Peter David stuff, probably - that features Moron/Bernie, the dwarf albino Klingon. __________________ Thiptho lapth! Ian (Entire post is personal opinion) The Andor Files @ http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/ http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/

May 13 2007, 02:01 AM	#21
Trekwatcher Fleet Captain Location: Talos IV. Taking Tango out for a ride in the countryside	Re: Anyone Else Love "Whom Gods Destroy"? Love it?-No. Like it a lot? Sure. Lots of good moments in this one.

May 13 2007, 08:21 AM	#22
Broccoli Vice Admiral Location: Broccoli	Re: Anyone Else Love "Whom Gods Destroy"? Classic episode. Garth of Izar is probably one of my favorite guest characters of all Trek. Without giving any spoilers, is the book based on him, aptly named "Garth of Izar," any good? __________________ "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

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May 13 2007, 01:18 PM	#23
Brutal Strudel Rear Admiral Location: Here, frozen between time and place, not even the brightest lights escape...	Re: Anyone Else Love "Whom Gods Destroy"? Trek at its campy best. It's as if the Adam West Batman show took us into Arkham. :thumbsup: __________________ Once every lifetime, we're swallowed by the whale.

May 16 2007, 01:34 AM	#25
Plum Rear Admiral Location: Out on the water...	Re: Anyone Else Love "Whom Gods Destroy"? ^^^ You're thinking of a chapter in Lord of the Rings. Terrible ep, for any show. Flotsam it is if only because it shows up in syndication. __________________ Samuel T. Cogley said: "Look, every single one of us is going to see Star Trek XI. So let's cut the crap."

May 16 2007, 04:14 PM	#26
Steven Of Nine Commodore Location: Waiting for the Worms.	Re: Anyone Else Love "Whom Gods Destroy"? Not only is Marta awfully nice to look at, but the great, great line in this one.. Lord Garth!! ... makes me smile every time. Love it. Always figured Spock to be getting a bit over on Kirk with the fight at the end. __________________ Washington, Washington, Twelve stories high made of radiation. The present beware, The future beware He’s coming, He’s coming, He’s coming

May 16 2007, 08:44 PM	#27
Plum Rear Admiral Location: Out on the water...	Re: Anyone Else Love "Whom Gods Destroy"? It does have some great lines, and Martia the insane Orion girl was the best part of the show. Nice dancing eh? This ep could have been something easily it seems, good actors and meaty dialog. But the production of the ep is noticeably crap. I don't recall who directed this one, but I gotta wonder if there was a lot of drinking on set... something. __________________ Samuel T. Cogley said: "Look, every single one of us is going to see Star Trek XI. So let's cut the crap."

May 16 2007, 08:50 PM	#28
Red Ranger Admiral Location: New York City, the greatest city in the world!	Re: Anyone Else Love "Whom Gods Destroy"? People, It's not a good ep, but it can be campy fun. My favorite Garth line is when he just gets fed up with Spock's contradictory answers and yells, "REMOVE THIS ANIMAL!" And oh yes, the lovely Marta, played by Yvonne Craig, who also played the scrumptious and leggy Batgirl! She and Uhura (esp. MU Uhura) were the hottest TOS women of all time! Red Ranger __________________ "I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell!" "I would make this war as severe as possible, and show no symptoms of tiring till the South begs for mercy." -- William Tecumseh Sherman

May 16 2007, 09:12 PM	#29
A beaker full of death Vice Admiral	Re: Anyone Else Love "Whom Gods Destroy"? Sure it's a good ep. Has kind of a The Prisoner vibe to it. __________________ "shall not be infringed" is naturally open to infringements of all kinds, because shut up and think of the children. http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/...#ixzz2ImW0V3GV

May 16 2007, 11:21 PM	#30
ToddPence Fleet Captain Location: Fairfax, VA	Re: Anyone Else Love "Whom Gods Destroy"? Easily one of the best of the third season. It gets some criticism for supposedly having Spock look stupid at the end of the episode, but dramatically could it really have been written any other way? It would also have been a better episode if they had let Garth in Kirk's guise get aboard the ship. What ever happened to the drug that seemed to work at the end of this episode? Dr. Sevrin ("The Way to Eden") and Janice Lester ("Turnabout Intruder") were both pronounced insane in episodes following this one, and no mention is made of using the drug to cure their insanity.