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Old December 23 2013, 10:46 AM   #76
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

They must have really worn out their replicators, making huge chunks of replacement hull and new consoles ready to explode anew next week (and about a dozen shuttles to replace the ones they lost)
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Old December 24 2013, 12:53 AM   #77
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The Galaxy Class Starship is extremely powerful, and is one of the most advanced ships in the fleet.
It's so powerful, it can be swatted down by a single shot from an 80-year-old Bird of Prey crewed by a disorganized group of Klingon terrorists and their handler.

(NB: Yes, I know the shot went through the shields. No, I don't care. The 1701 Enterprise took a torpedo THROUGH THE SAUCER, and repeated shots to its ENTIRE hull, but kept on trucking).

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Old December 25 2013, 12:44 PM   #78
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

There's nothing that says that particular bird-of-prey was 80-years old--there have been multiple upgraded versions or variants of the design mentioned onscreen and the Class-D12 may only have been 20 or so years old for all we know. As a 24th-Century ship, its weapons probably could have taken out the 23rd-Century Enterprise-A even easier.

Also, it took multiple shots--not a single one--for that b.o.p. to take out the defenseless Enterprise-D.
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Old December 25 2013, 01:21 PM   #79
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

Chang was playing with Kirk anyway - one shot to the bridge or to Engineering could have finished Kirk or the A once the shields were weakened. 'Excelsior's been hit' seemed to be more concerning, they bought down the bulkheads and everything.

At least the Duras sisters were planning to do the sensible thing, target the Bridge and finish it, they just left it too late.

Even the battle of Wolf 359, you have to wonder why the Borg didn't just take out the bridge of each Starship and then assimilate everyone, tremendous waste of resources really.
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Old December 25 2013, 06:38 PM   #80
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Chang was playing with Kirk anyway - one shot to the bridge or to Engineering could have finished Kirk or the A once the shields were weakened. 'Excelsior's been hit' seemed to be more concerning, they bought down the bulkheads and everything.

At least the Duras sisters were planning to do the sensible thing, target the Bridge and finish it, they just left it too late.

Even the battle of Wolf 359, you have to wonder why the Borg didn't just take out the bridge of each Starship and then assimilate everyone, tremendous waste of resources really.
As you say, in both TUC and GEN, it's pretty obvious that the Klingons were toying with our heroes, and they wanted our heroes to know that. Shooting at the bridge or warp core while the Enterprises were vulnerable would have destroyed them altogether.

If we assume that the Duras had some level of competency, had an effectively unshielded Enterprise-D in their sights, and still wanted to toy with Riker and company, the Duras would have probably scanned the Enterprise for prime targets. I would guess that they would have shot out the forward torpedo launcher and the power conduits feeding the forward phaser arrays. This might explain why the Enterprise tried to turn around rather than stand it's ground.

As for how powerful a Galaxy-class starship is, there is an actual canonical source on that:

The Best of Both Worlds wrote:
BORG: Captain Jean-Luc Picard, you lead the strongest ship of the Federation Starfleet. You speak for your people.
Now, it's uncertain whether that statement can be used as a blanket statement for all Galaxy-class starships or if the Enterprise-D, having quite a few combat missions in addition to simply exploring, has a configuration that indeed makes it the strongest (the "Federation's flagship vessel", if you will).

It's safe to say that Galaxy-class starships, at least in early 2367, are at the very top of the ladder in terms of power, although there seems to be a range depending on configuration. (Jellico, for example, thinks the Enterprise-D could be even more combat-ready and gets Engineering to make the changes.)
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Old December 25 2013, 06:48 PM   #81
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Even the battle of Wolf 359, you have to wonder why the Borg didn't just take out the bridge of each Starship and then assimilate everyone, tremendous waste of resources really.
We are the Borg. Resource efficiency is irrelevant. Targeting measures are irrelevant. Line your ships up like Space Invaders. We *will* have fun. Resistance is futile. PEW PEW PEW.
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Old December 27 2013, 10:21 AM   #82
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

PicardSpeedo wrote: View Post
Avro Arrow wrote: View Post
The Galaxy Class Starship is extremely powerful, and is one of the most advanced ships in the fleet.
It's so powerful, it can be swatted down by a single shot from an 80-year-old Bird of Prey crewed by a disorganized group of Klingon terrorists and their handler.

(NB: Yes, I know the shot went through the shields. No, I don't care. The 1701 Enterprise took a torpedo THROUGH THE SAUCER, and repeated shots to its ENTIRE hull, but kept on trucking).
the "battle" in generations was patheticly scripted.

The klingon ship should have at least been a vorc'ha class
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Old December 28 2013, 12:35 AM   #83
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Infern0 wrote: View Post
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The Galaxy Class Starship is extremely powerful, and is one of the most advanced ships in the fleet.
It's so powerful, it can be swatted down by a single shot from an 80-year-old Bird of Prey crewed by a disorganized group of Klingon terrorists and their handler.

(NB: Yes, I know the shot went through the shields. No, I don't care. The 1701 Enterprise took a torpedo THROUGH THE SAUCER, and repeated shots to its ENTIRE hull, but kept on trucking).
the "battle" in generations was patheticly scripted.

The klingon ship should have at least been a vorc'ha class
The thing was, though, was that under normal conditions, the D12 would have been no match for the Enterprise-D--and that was even said so onscreen. The Duras Sisters used a very rare trick to give them an equally rare advantage they never would have had otherwise.
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Old December 30 2013, 06:11 PM   #84
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I wouldn't say the Galaxy class is better than the Sovereign class though. I just don't see Starfleet downgrading Picard.
Depends IMO. It's possible that the Sovereign class at the time was more advanced in many areas than the Galaxy class.

Though when figuring out what "most powerful" means can be max warp speed, warp engine power, weapons complement/arsenal, power distribution, armour/shielding, etc.

In some aspects, the Defiant class was more powerful than the Galaxy class, it was faster, more maneuverable, and had better weapons.
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Old December 30 2013, 10:22 PM   #85
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I don't think the Defiant-class had better weapons, per se, but it did have a lot of weapons crammed into a relatively small spaceframe. Its really only unique weapon were the forward phaser cannons, which had a very high yield of fire, but had a drawback in that they could only fire in one direction unlike TNG-style phaser arrays and even TOS-style phaser banks.
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Old December 30 2013, 10:28 PM   #86
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The Enterprise-D had no quantum torpodoes or pulse phasers. nor ablative armour or a cloak (granted, on loan from the Romulans).

Picard's ship most likely had advanced photon torpodoes, and more more powerful phaser arrays. At least relative to when it was launched.
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Old December 30 2013, 10:32 PM   #87
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Even the battle of Wolf 359, you have to wonder why the Borg didn't just take out the bridge of each Starship and then assimilate everyone, tremendous waste of resources really.
We are the Borg. Resource efficiency is irrelevant. Targeting measures are irrelevant. Line your ships up like Space Invaders. We *will* have fun. Resistance is futile. PEW PEW PEW.
or Locutus/HM the Borg Queen wanted to teach the Federation a lesson.

or they didn't care because 39 ships is nothing compared to trillions of Fed citizens. lol..
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Old December 30 2013, 10:38 PM   #88
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Also I believe the Defiant's top speed was warp 9.0. While the ENT-D max was 9.6 and the E's max was warp 9.9. I seem to recall the Defiant's low speed relative to other ships of that era, due to it having problems maintaining structural integrity while at warp.
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Old December 30 2013, 11:10 PM   #89
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Also I believe the Defiant's top speed was warp 9.0. While the ENT-D max was 9.6 and the E's max was warp 9.9. I seem to recall the Defiant's low speed relative to other ships of that era, due to it having problems maintaining structural integrity while at warp.
I think the episode Sound of Her Voice had the Defiant's top speed at 9.5, which is still lower than the E-D and Voyager. Making her slower than the other hero ships could be a deliberate choice on the writers' part. Maybe something had to go in order for her to be more maneuverable than other ships.
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Old December 30 2013, 11:21 PM   #90
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The Enterprise-D had no quantum torpodoes or pulse phasers.
As far as onscreen material is concerned, the only difference between photon torpedoes and quantum torpedoes is that the latter is bluish-white when fired. But otherwise, there's nothing to suggest that other ships--including the Galaxy-class--can't also now be stocked with quantum torpedoes (provided they can make enough of them). And pulse phasers aren't all that new--both the original Enterprise and the Reliant had such weapons in Star Trek II. If anything, the Defiant was kind of old-school in that regard.
nor ablative armour or a cloak (granted, on loan from the Romulans).
Those aren't weapons, those are defensive systems, which wasn't the issue raised. As far as weapons are concerned, the Defiant isn't quite all that, but they are very considerable for a ship that small.
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