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Old December 23 2013, 12:04 AM   #31
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Re: Would a series set after voyager have been more of a success

I don't understand why Berman and Braga just didn't quit when the studio demanded a million things they didn't want to do. Instead of becoming a slave to the studio's demands they should have kept their dignity intact and leave - or at least threaten to do so. By obeying every wish the studio made they robbed themselves of their dignity.
Besides, a prequel show was the worst idea they could come up with. Prequel movies are mostly rubbish (see Star Wars), but they only last two hours (thank heavens for that). It was inevitable to get in contact with all the races that are part of Star Trek, otherwise they would have discovered 50 new races that were never heard of in TOS, TNG and so on. It was doomed long before the pilot aired. Sorry to say so, but it's the truth.
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Old December 23 2013, 12:38 AM   #32
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Re: Would a series set after voyager have been more of a success

I love what Rick Berman did for TNG. He was the right man for the right job. After that, it was just keeping on the gravy train. STAR TREK deserved to have another creative team look at the franchise with fresh eyes. We would've had a J.J. Abrams type of series a long time ago and it would've succeeded wildly ... And if ENTERPRISE is enjoying any kind of resurgence now, it's just because it was made this Century, unlike the others.
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Old December 23 2013, 02:59 AM   #33
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Re: Would a series set after voyager have been more of a success

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Than Enterprise?

As much as I liked enterprise, it didn't resonate with the casual audience as much as the other Treks seemed to.

We hadn't had a "traditional" trek show set in the alpha quadrant since TNG ended in 1994. With DS9 being set on a space station, and more concerned with War, politics and religion than exploration and discovery, and Voyager being well... voyager.

What I think they should have done, is gone back to what worked best, have a ship of exploration, and it could have dealt with the aftermath of the dominion war, as well as using new technology that voyager had discovered.

you could have brought back classic trek villains like the tholians and the gorn, maybe pushed out into the beta quadrent.
As the only "improvements," in and of themselves, not likely.

As demonstrated there, the downward slope of the dwindling ratings transcended each series individually. During those years, the whole TV part of the franchise was subject to the same overall trend, and it was down, down, down. Viewers were being shed all along in every series since TNG, at a steady, almost clock-like, rate.
A different scenario: TNG went out on a high in terms of both it's public popularity and also in its place as (by that stage) the proud flagship of the franchise. But do we think it could have maintained that popularity, had it gone on to an eighth, ninth or tenth season?

It seemed to me, both at the time and looking back in retrospect, that TNG had a massive 'casual' following, who it seemed to me abandoned Star Trek after TNG went off the air. DS9 and VOY might have had their followings too, even ENT, but my impression has been that they were more 'devoted' (shall we say) viewers. A lot of that broader, casual audience might not have been among them, and might have lost interest in the franchise when TNG wasn't a regular fixture anymore. Maybe they just didn't carry their interest through to the movies and TV shows that came after.

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Old December 23 2013, 03:02 AM   #34
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Re: Would a series set after voyager have been more of a success

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A different scenario: TNG went out on a high in terms of both it's public popularity and also in its place as (by that stage) the proud flagship of the franchise. But do we think it could have maintained that popularity, had it gone on to an eighth, ninth or tenth season? ...
Yes, well at least I do.

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Old December 23 2013, 03:18 AM   #35
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... they just didn't carry their interest through to the movies and TV shows that came after...
Considering the ratings decline in many shows, including DS9's, were directly related to the contraction of the market for syndicated TV, TNG would likely have suffered as well.
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Old December 23 2013, 03:22 AM   #36
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True. It's a hard call to make. But maybe something skewed more towards being a true follow-up to TNG might still have been able to reignite the franchise's popularity in some fashion?
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Old December 23 2013, 03:39 AM   #37
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^Wasn't Voyager that show? It was based on a ship, largely driven by encounters with the species of the week. It even took on TNG's most visible adversaries, the Borg and Q.
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Old December 23 2013, 03:43 AM   #38
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^ I was thinking more in terms of what Bearded Bloke said up thread, about rebooting Star Trek with a "25th century" era show. Taking the mold that TNG used in 1987 and running even further ahead in timescale.

Part of the reason TNG created a buzz was the degree of seperation it had from the TOS era -- setting it a century later opens up all kinds of possibilities for where things have changed, developed or otherwise since TOS. More story possibilities. VOY was set in the 'present day' of the TNG era; and ENT, pitching itself as a prequel, already had the strike against it that it was alleged to take place during previously established parameters... so what was there to hook the audience into giving it a try?
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Old December 23 2013, 04:29 AM   #39
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Besides, a prequel show was the worst idea they could come up with. Prequel movies are mostly rubbish (see Star Wars), but they only last two hours (thank heavens for that). It was inevitable to get in contact with all the races that are part of Star Trek, otherwise they would have discovered 50 new races that were never heard of in TOS, TNG and so on. It was doomed long before the pilot aired. Sorry to say so, but it's the truth.
I said this from the very beginning, although I did give ENT the benefit of doubt.
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Old December 23 2013, 04:48 AM   #40
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I would like to see a new series set after the events of Nemesis, not immediately after but not so long after that contemporary Trek actors couldn't guest without (too much) aging make-up.
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Old December 23 2013, 08:23 AM   #41
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^I think Michael Dorn proposed something like that.
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Old December 23 2013, 09:47 AM   #42
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Here's a crazy idea: how about a prime universe Pike-era series, starting right where The Cage left off? Get Bruce Greenwood and Quinto to reprise Pike and Spock. Use the 1964 model Enterprise, giant bridge, spiked nacelle caps and all.

And don't let JJ anywhere near it.
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Old December 23 2013, 10:50 AM   #43
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^I suppose Pike has to be a misogynist asshole, in order to exactly conform to 1960's Trek canon?

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Old December 23 2013, 10:59 AM   #44
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And don't let JJ anywhere near it.
That is a must!!!
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Old December 23 2013, 12:06 PM   #45
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^I think Michael Dorn proposed something like that.
Dorn wants Star Trek: Captain Worf, which is retarded.
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