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Old December 21 2013, 12:50 AM   #76
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if they have his ship in the movie...

Will they tap the celestials?

Which means showing the origin of the Mutants?

Squee!
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Old December 21 2013, 01:07 AM   #77
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I don't see it being a big deal either way.
Why would it be a big deal? We're chatting about entertainment on the Internet. The odds of anything we discuss being a big deal, rather than simply idle conversation to pass the time, are relatively slim. If we had things on our minds that actually were big deals, we'd probably be off dealing with those... err... deals instead of rattling around on our keyboards talking about a movie that hasn't been made yet.
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Old December 21 2013, 01:40 AM   #78
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In the IDW ongoing comic they are showing Khan's youth with the correct ethnicity so will presumably hand-wave away Cumberbatch's ethnicity as a disguise to protect his identity.

Additionally, Apocalypse sometimes usurps other bodies when his own wears out and he's a shapeshifter so handsome young white dude is more likely than anything else sadly.
I'm reading that too, but I assumed that Khan is going to die getting them aboard the Botany Bay, and Ricardo Khan is going to say to Bendict Khan with his dying breath: "Now you are Khan!"
The timelines don't diverge until 2233. Ricardo Khan must become Benedict Khan after that point.

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It's within the possible range of human variation but far beyond what you could ethically ask of any live performer.
Other than Christian Bale.
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Old December 21 2013, 01:56 AM   #79
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You're forgetting about the timetravel.

Kirk in 1930, 1968, 1969, and 1984, then Picard in 1890 something, 2063, Sisko in 2024, and Janeway in 1996...

Without all those people from the original timeline going back and fiddling, the road to the actual divergence in 2233 is going to be a little off.

Unless the act of travelling through time puts you outside of time and prophylizes you from any ongoing temporal edition that original timeline, where Kirk, Picard, Sisko and Janeway still sorted out the past even though if they tried to return to thier future, they'll now only find the new Abrams Timeline where their home should be.
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Old December 21 2013, 03:17 AM   #80
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I wonder who they'll cast as Apocalypse. I'd suggest Clancy Brown, but I think he would be better suited as Cable. This might be retreading a somewhat similar character in The Mummy movies, but Arnold Vosloo would be cool too.
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^Idris Elba?
Ron Perlman?
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Hmm, well, En Sabah Nur is supposed to be a native of what's now Jordan, so ideally he should be played by someone from that part of the world, or someone who can pass for it. Alexander Siddig, Naveen Andrews, somebody like that. Although that may be expecting too much of Hollywood.
While I would love to see more non-white actors in these kinds of movies, I figured that Apocalypse would be either CGI or covered in so much makeup that his race wouldn't be an issue. I was going more for overall body shape and voice.
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Old December 21 2013, 11:58 AM   #81
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So Apocalypse will probably look pretty much like this, right? I've been assuming he'll be a CG mocap character; the vague unreality of even the highest-end CG could in this case work in the movie's favor to give him an even more nightmarish presence in addition to beefing up his physique.
Hopefully for the movie he'll have four belts instead of three

I always thought that was the most asinine character design for that game. He doesn't wear three massive belts on top of each other in the comics! He could never bend forward!
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Old December 21 2013, 09:10 PM   #82
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He's a metamorph Light, Apocalypse has universal pivots along and inside his entire body.
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Old December 21 2013, 10:25 PM   #83
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His big blue lips make contact with his ear lobes.
Aye, that too, and another potential advantage for CG.





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Granted, though, finding someone really tall and muscular who's also a good actor is tricky. So that might justify going CGI, although it seems extravagantly expensive in a case like this, given that it's easy to make actors look bigger with costuming, camera angles, and the like.

I mean, really, if the X-Men movies got hung up on height, Hugh Jackman would never have qualified to be Wolverine.
Ah, but they never tried to make Jackman look short. And while you're correct about making actors look bigger, there are limits, especially when it comes to brawling. It's a lucky thing for PJ and Co. that Tolkien never wrote a Frodo/Gandalf fistfight.
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Old December 22 2013, 12:00 AM   #84
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^Ahh, but the Tolkien films, like most big-budget action films today, create CG doubles of the live actors for the big action scenes. So needing a CG character for an action scene does not preclude casting a live actor in the same role for other scenes.

Indeed, this was true long before CGI; in many films, live actors have been doubled with animatronic replicas for FX scenes, and actors who've been faked to appear large or small have been doubled by appropriately-sized people in shots where interaction is required. Even Peter Jackson does this; every hobbit and dwarf character in the movies has a Little Person double for the main actor, with the face being digitally replaced.
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Old December 22 2013, 07:57 AM   #85
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^Ahh, but the Tolkien films, like most big-budget action films today, create CG doubles of the live actors for the big action scenes. So needing a CG character for an action scene does not preclude casting a live actor in the same role for other scenes.

Indeed, this was true long before CGI; in many films, live actors have been doubled with animatronic replicas for FX scenes, and actors who've been faked to appear large or small have been doubled by appropriately-sized people in shots where interaction is required. Even Peter Jackson does this; every hobbit and dwarf character in the movies has a Little Person double for the main actor, with the face being digitally replaced.
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Old December 22 2013, 03:56 PM   #86
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Sorry, my travel budget's maxed out by my impending trip to spend Christmas with the family. And I'm lousy at billiards.

Anyway, there's nothing to be resolved; I'm just saying there's more than one option available. CGI is a useful technique, but there's still a place for other techniques, and I'm just saying we (and hopefully the filmmakers) should be aware of all the possibilities.
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Old December 23 2013, 05:30 AM   #87
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My money is on a live performer/CGI combo.
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