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Old December 18 2013, 11:48 PM   #16
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Old December 20 2013, 02:59 PM   #17
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I enjoy the fact that in this episode, Garak had the sense of humor to sew this outfit for himself while he was doing Starfleet's dirty work

I don't get it.
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Old December 20 2013, 07:53 PM   #18
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^TNG uniform, Jarod.
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Old December 20 2013, 08:39 PM   #19
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Hm, takes some fantasy, but yeah, why not.
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Old December 20 2013, 10:29 PM   #20
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I don't get it.
Yeah, I'm lost, too. I'm scratching my head over that one.
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Old December 21 2013, 12:28 AM   #21
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I was never much of a DS9 fan, or a Voyager or Enterprise fan, I'm kind of a TOS TNG type of guy. I think I've maybe seen 20% at most of the DS9 episodes.

In any case I know that DS9 has some good episodes but I just haven't watched the whole series. Perusing through TrekBBS for threads to read I clicked on this one and just decided on the spot I'd just watch this episode because it's free with Amazon Prime.

Damn, if you guys aren't right. That was one hell of a good episode. My reaction to this first time viewing is that episode is one of the better acted episodes of Star Trek. It was just absolutely excellent.
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Old December 21 2013, 02:39 AM   #22
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DS9 has some very good stuff, and I think it achieved a better balance in terms of being political more gritty than the evolved "perfect" humans that were conceived for the earlier seasons of TNG. I believe that's one reason the series works, and one could easily argue that ITPM is the ultimate expression of that - Sisko has to go into some morally dubious territory out of desperation to win the war, and do things he'd never do otherwise. Garak doesn't interact with Sisko nearly as often as with other characters, but here the two really fit together. Also, I've always rather liked the scene where Garak tells Sisko that all of his contacts were killed off within a day or so.
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Old December 21 2013, 09:06 PM   #23
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I think it's amazing that the producers got stuff like this out of Avery Brooks, because he is friggin crazy. Apparently the stars aligned, and this is definitely one of the best-written, well-produced, convincing portrayals of intragalactic politics in Trek.
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Old December 24 2013, 10:21 PM   #24
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Costuming as visual joke...it took me this long to have it pointed out to me.

Amazing.
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Old December 31 2013, 09:14 PM   #25
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Have to agree with everyone here, fantastic episode. In fact, it's one of my favorite episodes in all of ST. I love the end where Sisko says, "I lied; I cheated! But the most damning thing of all...I think I can live with it."

An extremely beautiful 45 minutes of story telling.
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Old January 1 2014, 02:56 AM   #26
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I was never much of a DS9 fan, or a Voyager or Enterprise fan, I'm kind of a TOS TNG type of guy. I think I've maybe seen 20% at most of the DS9 episodes.

In any case I know that DS9 has some good episodes but I just haven't watched the whole series. Perusing through TrekBBS for threads to read I clicked on this one and just decided on the spot I'd just watch this episode because it's free with Amazon Prime.

Damn, if you guys aren't right. That was one hell of a good episode. My reaction to this first time viewing is that episode is one of the better acted episodes of Star Trek. It was just absolutely excellent.
So now that you have a taste of the good stuff, you should go ahead and watch the 80% you haven't seen! In fact, just go back to the beginning and watch the whole series.
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Old January 1 2014, 02:24 PM   #27
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When this ep came out I was horrified in honesty. But now I reckon Sisko did the right thing, if I were in his place, and thought defeat was inevitable, then i'd do what it took to stop that.

I always wondered what Sloan/Section 31 thought of this. You never know, maybe they were the guys Garak approached for the biomemetic gel lol..
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Old January 1 2014, 06:27 PM   #28
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It's a great episode, but I've never bought into the "ethical dilemma" aspect. What's the dilemma? If Sisko doesn't bring the Romulans into the war, then the Federation loses and the Dominion conquers the Alpha Quadrant.
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Old January 2 2014, 12:44 AM   #29
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It's a great episode, but I've never bought into the "ethical dilemma" aspect. What's the dilemma? If Sisko doesn't bring the Romulans into the war, then the Federation loses and the Dominion conquers the Alpha Quadrant.
Because to protect the ideals of The Federation he has to break the ideals of The Federation.
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Old January 2 2014, 05:36 PM   #30
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It's a great episode, but I've never bought into the "ethical dilemma" aspect. What's the dilemma? If Sisko doesn't bring the Romulans into the war, then the Federation loses and the Dominion conquers the Alpha Quadrant.
Because to protect the ideals of The Federation he has to break the ideals of The Federation.

right, but if there is no Federation left because they lose the war, protecting their ideals would be a moot point. A dilemma only qualifies if there's a relative balance of potential outcomes. In the episode, the "dilemma" was "violate your personal ideals vs. watch the Federation lose the war and be conquered, possibly enslaved."

That's an easy choice, not a dilemma.
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