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Old December 20 2013, 07:26 AM   #136
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Re: J.J. admits keeping Khan's identity a secret was a mistake

I'd be down for a reimagining of the Borg in the Abramsverse. I think enough time has passed and they can get their "Extreme Makeover" for this new era/audience.

I suspect it will either be the Borg or classic Klingons like Kang, Kor and Koloth in the next Trek film.
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Old December 20 2013, 09:56 AM   #137
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I think people want to be spoiled too early. I would had been fine with knowing nothing about the villain.
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Old December 20 2013, 01:40 PM   #138
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The Borg are something that originated with TNG, thus I think if they should ever return to the big screen it should be when they get around to doing the TNG crew for the Abramsverse.
I wish TNG had used the same rational before screwing up the Romulans and Klingons.
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Old December 20 2013, 04:16 PM   #139
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Borg or bust.
But it won't be the Borg until a twist in the middle of the film.
Which everyone will have figured out.

Fans: "These mechanical zombies in cube ships. They're the Borg, right?"
Orci: "No, but they are from canon."
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Old December 20 2013, 04:23 PM   #140
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Karl Urban states at some point that it's V'Ger.
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Old December 20 2013, 04:34 PM   #141
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Having everybody show up at the appointed time as dictated by the original timeline kind of defeats the purpose of having an alternate timeline.
I don't think they really wanted an alternate timeline though. That's just a bone thrown to fans who care too much about that kind of thing. It's pretty obvious that they just wanted to do a reboot, and that's essentially what we're getting.
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Old December 20 2013, 04:51 PM   #142
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Of course, bringing the Borg into the movie means Spock Prime won't be able to help.

Quinto Spock: "I seek information."
Nimoy Spock: "I swore a solemn vow never to discuss the future with you. But since you are asking, I'll make an exception. Just this once."
Quinto Spock: "Tell me of your encounters with the Borg."
Nimoy Spock: "..."
Quinto Spock: "Sir?"
Nimoy Spock: "Another ship and crew dealt with them. You're on your own with this one. Sorry."
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Old December 20 2013, 04:52 PM   #143
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I'd be down for a reimagining of the Borg in the Abramsverse. I think enough time has passed and they can get their "Extreme Makeover" for this new era/audience.

I suspect it will either be the Borg or classic Klingons like Kang, Kor and Koloth in the next Trek film.
They need to be faster, like new Dawn of the Dead zombies.
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Old December 20 2013, 05:39 PM   #144
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I'd be down for a reimagining of the Borg in the Abramsverse. I think enough time has passed and they can get their "Extreme Makeover" for this new era/audience.

I suspect it will either be the Borg or classic Klingons like Kang, Kor and Koloth in the next Trek film.
They need to be faster, like new Dawn of the Dead zombies.
More likely the frantic WORLD WAR Z than anything else. Bones will inject deadly viruses on every crew member so the Borg won't want to assimilate people.

Oh God, who's betting that mid-way through the film Kirk gets captured and assimilated? It'll be a "homage" of that "Best of Both Words" cliffhanger, but now with TOS characters! How clever!
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Old December 20 2013, 05:43 PM   #145
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Oh God, who's betting that mid-way through the film Kirk gets captured and assimilated? It'll be a "homage" of that "Best of Both Words" cliffhanger, but now with TOS characters! How clever!
Nah, it'll be Spock who gets assimilated and Kirk will give the order to fire. Role reversal is so "clever" and less obvious.
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Old December 20 2013, 09:06 PM   #146
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Oh God, who's betting that mid-way through the film Kirk gets captured and assimilated? It'll be a "homage" of that "Best of Both Words" cliffhanger, but now with TOS characters! How clever!
Nah, it'll Spock who gets assimilated and Kirk will give the order to fire. Role reversal is so "clever" and less obvious.
Before he does, Borg Spock will tell him an ironic, borgified remark about "the needs of the many".
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Old December 20 2013, 09:07 PM   #147
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Oh wait wait wait, I got it.

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Old December 20 2013, 10:19 PM   #148
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I'd be down for a reimagining of the Borg in the Abramsverse. I think enough time has passed and they can get their "Extreme Makeover" for this new era/audience.

I suspect it will either be the Borg or classic Klingons like Kang, Kor and Koloth in the next Trek film.
They need to be faster, like new Dawn of the Dead zombies.
More likely the frantic WORLD WAR Z than anything else. Bones will inject deadly viruses on every crew member so the Borg won't want to assimilate people.

Oh God, who's betting that mid-way through the film Kirk gets captured and assimilated? It'll be a "homage" of that "Best of Both Words" cliffhanger, but now with TOS characters! How clever!
Within a month a Borg will die out because of STDs.
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Old December 21 2013, 02:36 AM   #149
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Re: J.J. admits keeping Khan's identity a secret was a mistake

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I don't think they really wanted an alternate timeline though. That's just a bone thrown to fans who care too much about that kind of thing. It's pretty obvious that they just wanted to do a reboot, and that's essentially what we're getting.
How do you know what they wanted? All this "bone thrown to fans" stuff is just what certain people insist on believing. It's only "pretty obvious" that people not involved in the production of the films will continue to make this claim despite not having any actual evidence for it. And it's irrelevant anyway, since we did end up with an alternate timeline. In any event, even if they had rebooted the franchise, they would still be able to have the Borg show up earlier.
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Old December 21 2013, 03:53 AM   #150
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Re: J.J. admits keeping Khan's identity a secret was a mistake

In regards to the Borg fighting against altKirk and crew, I have no problem with that. Enterprise (which is still completely 100% correct in this timeline as well) already established Borg tech pre-TOS, so Kirk and company coming up against them would be perfectly acceptable.

But why not throw the TOS crew up against Cardassians? The 2009 movie confirms Starfleet has meet the Cardies at this point, and it would provide audiences with something they've never seen before (TOS era Cardassians) without it feeling quite so... contrived as bringing in the Borg.
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