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Old December 19 2013, 05:28 AM   #211
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Re: TMP on Blu-Ray

^ But what's the point of that? Things like the size of V'Ger, for example. It obviously can't be both 82 AU's and 2 AU's in diameter. When future Trek material picks one or the other, that becomes official, and it's pointless to argue otherwise.
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Old December 19 2013, 11:39 AM   #212
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What was the reason for the AUs thing? It doesn't bother me that they changed to from 82 to 2, because either way it's still ridiculously big. I'm curious to know why that alteration was done.
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Old December 19 2013, 05:41 PM   #213
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Sez Memory Alpha:
In the original version of the film, V'Ger's cloud was actually 82 AUs across. At their farthest point from each other (the aphelion), Earth and Pluto are just over 49 AUs apart. This would have made V'Ger's cloud almost twice that length, completely engulfing the solar system.
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Old December 19 2013, 06:44 PM   #214
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Too the poster who says paramount doesn't care about it's bluray releases, what utter nonesense. ST still makes money in all it's incarnations, new releases of the old movies on bluray continue to appear on shelves in stores. A remaster of STII and STII is on bluray. It poured money into the STNG blurays to re-edit them fromscratch. Star Trek 09 went back onto the top 20 blurays sales chart after STID was released in the theaters, then on video. I also saw STNG on the top 15 sales chart chart several times. There's a DE for STII on bluray. If there is a market like this, then they have reason to work on them.
Slight problem with that argument. The movies and television series are being run by two different studios. Paramount is in charge of the movies, while CBS is in charge of the television series. And despite Trek09 being a fantastic BluRay, the Star Trek Into Darkness BluRay is no where near as good. Bonus features were split up as retailer exclusives and immersive features like the visual commentary and the Imax aspect ratio being iTunes exclusives (and not even in 1080p).

So in retrospect, CBS is the one pouring a lot of money and resources into presenting Star Trek in the best possible way while Paramount is still sticking with the work they did on the movies in 2009 and nothing beyond that.

And no, there is no BluRay of the Director's Edition of The Wrath of Khan. Also, the film is now starch blue.
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Old December 19 2013, 07:55 PM   #215
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Too the poster who says paramount doesn't care about it's bluray releases, what utter nonesense. ST still makes money in all it's incarnations, new releases of the old movies on bluray continue to appear on shelves in stores. A remaster of STII and STII is on bluray. It poured money into the STNG blurays to re-edit them fromscratch. Star Trek 09 went back onto the top 20 blurays sales chart after STID was released in the theaters, then on video. I also saw STNG on the top 15 sales chart chart several times. There's a DE for STII on bluray. If there is a market like this, then they have reason to work on them.
Slight problem with that argument. The movies and television series are being run by two different studios. Paramount is in charge of the movies, while CBS is in charge of the television series. And despite Trek09 being a fantastic BluRay, the Star Trek Into Darkness BluRay is no where near as good. Bonus features were split up as retailer exclusives and immersive features like the visual commentary and the Imax aspect ratio being iTunes exclusives (and not even in 1080p).

So in retrospect, CBS is the one pouring a lot of money and resources into presenting Star Trek in the best possible way while Paramount is still sticking with the work they did on the movies in 2009 and nothing beyond that.

And no, there is no BluRay of the Director's Edition of The Wrath of Khan. Also, the film is now starch blue.
Paramount produced brand new versions of blurays and remastered at least several for the release, so that's STILL supporting the movies franchise(s).

STID's bluray was a marketing scheme and in no way make the release or desire to acquire it different to the majority of consumers, who do not watch most of the special features anyway.

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Old December 19 2013, 08:07 PM   #216
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that only Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan was remastered. Also, Paramount only remastered the theatrical version (which even comes to a surprise to Nicholas Meyer on the new audio commentary!) and changed much of the color-timing of that film to a more blueish tint for no particular reason.

The rest of the Blu-Rays have old, heavily DNR'd transfers on them. There are some new bonus features, but many of these are pointless (i.e. the fan round tables and the commentaries by people who didn't work on the films).

The Blu-Rays certainly could be worse, but they're not great.
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Old December 19 2013, 08:11 PM   #217
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that only Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan was remastered.
You're right.
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Old December 19 2013, 10:19 PM   #218
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that only Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan was remastered.
You're right.
I think they have all been remastered, but only TWOK has been given the restoration treatment because the negatives were in such a bad shape.

I mean, they had to be remastered for the BD release ... otherwise they would have been SD upscales, right?
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Old December 19 2013, 10:24 PM   #219
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Unless the previous DVDs were sourced from (poor) HD transfers.
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Old December 19 2013, 10:37 PM   #220
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Unless the previous DVDs were sourced from (poor) HD transfers.
I'm pretty sure the films were scanned at 1080i and then downrezzed to 480i for the DVD's. Those masters were then used for the Blu-ray's except for TWOK.

Can't remember where I read that though? So take the above with a grain of salt.
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Old December 19 2013, 10:50 PM   #221
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that only Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan was remastered.
You're right.
I think they have all been remastered, but only TWOK has been given the restoration treatment because the negatives were in such a bad shape.

I mean, they had to be remastered for the BD release ... otherwise they would have been SD upscales, right?
No, depends on what rez they were scanned at. The Bond films were mostly scanned at 4K by Lowery Digital a good ways back, so they are good to go for a ways to come. Even 2K scans of the TREK films is plenty good enough for BR, so the stated notion that only TWOK has been remastered seems totally accurate to me. I guess you could look on thedigitalbits.com or blu-ray.com or some place like that for authentication.

blu-ray.com's forum notes TWOK as having a 4K transfer.

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Old December 20 2013, 02:36 AM   #222
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Unless the previous DVDs were sourced from (poor) HD transfers.
I'm pretty sure the films were scanned at 1080i and then downrezzed to 480i for the DVD's. Those masters were then used for the Blu-ray's except for TWOK.

Can't remember where I read that though? So take the above with a grain of salt.
Basically correct. There is some pretty strong evidence that they just cranked out the Blu-ray editions in 2009 using the very early, for the tech, 1080p scans that were made in the early-2000s for the DE DVDs and for use on the (then) new premium HD cable/sat movie channels (HBO used to have the catalog rights to the TOS movies).

Since their target resolution was DVD (480i) and done in the early-2000s they were not very concerned with what it looked like at HD resolution. So they used all the quick and easy cheats of the era to process the image for DVD resolution. The problem is those quick and dirty image manipulation tricks look like crap when viewed in high resolution. Hence why we have all of the movies with anywhere from a bit too much to massive amounts of noise reduction applied.
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Old December 20 2013, 02:38 AM   #223
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You're right.
I think they have all been remastered, but only TWOK has been given the restoration treatment because the negatives were in such a bad shape.

I mean, they had to be remastered for the BD release ... otherwise they would have been SD upscales, right?
No, depends on what rez they were scanned at. The Bond films were mostly scanned at 4K by Lowery Digital a good ways back, so they are good to go for a ways to come.
I wouldn't say "mostly". Lowery only scanned a select group, 9 of the movies, at 4k. All the Connery movies, plus a few others they deemed needing the higher resolution.
http://commanderbond.net/2878/all-20...-new-dvds.html

Lowery is another company that is infamously heavy handed with DNR. And again the initial target for the project were the DVDs from the early-mid-2000s.

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Even 2K scans of the TREK films is plenty good enough for BR, so the stated notion that only TWOK has been remastered seems totally accurate to me. I guess you could look on thedigitalbits.com or blu-ray.com or some place like that for authentication.

blu-ray.com's forum notes TWOK as having a 4K transfer.
I highly doubt TWOK was given a 4k transfer. The Blu-ray discs appear to have been done as cheaply as possible to coincide/cash-in-on the Abrams movie in 2009.
If they did, it's been ruined by DNR, and other processing. TWOK still looks very "cleaned up", not as bad the ones clearly reusing ancient transfers like TVH and TUC, but still not what a proper/well-done transfer of a 1982 film should look like.

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Old December 20 2013, 02:56 AM   #224
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Unless the previous DVDs were sourced from (poor) HD transfers.
I'm pretty sure the films were scanned at 1080i and then downrezzed to 480i for the DVD's. Those masters were then used for the Blu-ray's except for TWOK.

Can't remember where I read that though? So take the above with a grain of salt.
Basically correct. There is some pretty strong evidence that they just cranked out the Blu-ray editions in 2009 using the very early, for the tech, 1080p scans that were made in the early-2000s for the DE DVDs and for use on the (then) new premium HD cable/sat movie channels (HBO used to have the catalog rights to the TOS movies).

Since their target resolution was DVD (480i) and done in the early-2000s they were not very concerned with what it looked like at HD resolution. So they used all the quick and easy cheats of the era to process the image for DVD resolution. The problem is those quick and dirty image manipulation tricks look like crap when viewed in high resolution. Hence why we have all of the movies with anywhere from a bit too much to massive amounts of noise reduction applied.
Thanks for the correct information. I was afraid I might have been misremembering some of the details.
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