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Old December 15 2013, 11:00 PM   #121
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Re: Small things you'd've liked to've happened in TNG

Given that Picard possessed his own saddle, he likely rode more than once on the holodeck and maybe also on shore leave.

Horseback riding is fun, in my opinion.


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Old December 15 2013, 11:35 PM   #122
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^Some of the stuff we saw on holodeck during the TNG era did look fun to me. It's based on personal taste

What do you consider fun to use on the holodeck?
The things I'd use it for would be so visually spectacular as to completely overshadow the episodes themselves (and completely break the budget)

I was reading one of the New Frontier novels a while ago, and a crewman was playing Avengers on the holodeck, with Thor throwing his hammer and the Hulk chucking cars, and I thought, "That's more like it!"
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Old December 16 2013, 10:22 PM   #123
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One thing that always bugged me about the holodeck is that it gave the writers the excuse to do plots that aren't "strange new worlds". Instead of our crew getting out there and exploring the universe, you'd end up with the plot of an episode being 'The Enterprise is sitting stationary waiting for the USS Victory to show up, so here's an hour of Data pretending to be Sherlock Holmes'. In a lot of ways the holodeck eroded the Star Trek format rather than enhanced it... holodeck episodes sometimes just felt like filler, like they always ran on the spot and didn't go anywhere... and that feeling was carried through to DS9 and VOY as well. Something like 'Our Man Bashir' is a fun romp, but it's also utterly pointless.
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Old December 17 2013, 07:21 AM   #124
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One thing that always bugged me about the holodeck is that it gave the writers the excuse to do plots that aren't "strange new worlds". Instead of our crew getting out there and exploring the universe, you'd end up with the plot of an episode being 'The Enterprise is sitting stationary waiting for the USS Victory to show up, so here's an hour of Data pretending to be Sherlock Holmes'. In a lot of ways the holodeck eroded the Star Trek format rather than enhanced it... holodeck episodes sometimes just felt like filler, like they always ran on the spot and didn't go anywhere... and that feeling was carried through to DS9 and VOY as well. Something like 'Our Man Bashir' is a fun romp, but it's also utterly pointless.
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Old December 17 2013, 03:09 PM   #125
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Without the holodeck, they would have just stopped by the Dixon Hill planet. For some weird reason, their culture developed according to Dixon Hill novels, and Picard, who happens to be a fan of the novels, uses his knowledge to solve a problem in an undercover mission.

It didn't erode the Trek universe. It made it possible to remove those Earth 2 stories from the reality of the Trek universe, because instead of existing Earth copy planets, they just did those stories on the holodeck.
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Old December 17 2013, 11:22 PM   #126
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Maybe Worf could have mixed it up a bit. We see him listening to a lot of Klingon opera, perhaps he'd have a taste for Heavy Metal. Lots of songs about battles and violence. Something like Saxon or Iron Maiden.
Enterprise's officers are shocked by Steppenwolf in First Contact movie, so we can easily imagine them finding Princess of the Night as noisy as Aktuh and Maylota. Post-TOS and TMP Klingons are defintely metalheadish (google Destruction - Sentence of Death and you will see the three brothers of Klaa) and the most kligonish 80's Metal band is definetly Manowar. (I can also imagine Chekov arguing that Aria influenced british bands like Saxon or Maiden.)

About Worf, I also feel he lacked of human culture. It's always the pattern "Damn, they're so ugly and it tastes like shit" and Worf happens to find it delicious and them beautiful. He could had been a huge fan of Slavic warrior stories or I don't know...baseball?

On the other hand, we have the so British Captain from Franche-Comté. There's no problem with the absence of French stereotypes, but he's not even able to say his name. At least, don't make him always drinking tea.
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Old December 18 2013, 03:05 AM   #127
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The holodeck itself was a valid sci fi concept to explore...AI-controlled virtual reality gone haywire.
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Old December 18 2013, 01:46 PM   #128
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holodeck episodes sometimes just felt like filler, like they always ran on the spot and didn't go anywhere... and that feeling was carried through to DS9 and VOY as well. Something like 'Our Man Bashir' is a fun romp, but it's also utterly pointless.
If an episode is entertaining, how the heck is it pointless?? Shows like "Elementary Dear Data" and "Our Man Bashir" were good fun; hardly filler, and hardly pointless.
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Old December 18 2013, 03:53 PM   #129
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holodeck episodes sometimes just felt like filler, like they always ran on the spot and didn't go anywhere... and that feeling was carried through to DS9 and VOY as well. Something like 'Our Man Bashir' is a fun romp, but it's also utterly pointless.
If an episode is entertaining, how the heck is it pointless?? Shows like "Elementary Dear Data" and "Our Man Bashir" were good fun; hardly filler, and hardly pointless.
They're definitely not pointless but they kinda are fillers. They answer those questions about what the crew does on their time off. Because of episodes like those, we know during their time off, O'brien and Bashir spend time in the holodeck, Riker plays Jazz, Picard rides horses, Sisko watches movies, and Janeway's a masochist.

They're kinda fillers but they're kinda not.

I'm just kidding, Sisko plays baseball.
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Old December 18 2013, 09:46 PM   #130
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He could had been a huge fan of Slavic warrior stories or I don't know...baseball?
They should have made him a hockey fan. He was raised by Russians and hockey has lots of hitting and fighting.
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Old December 19 2013, 05:10 AM   #131
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Never agreed with Wesley turning into some arrogant jerk, being disrespectful to his 'family' if you will. Yes, I understand he's super smart and is redeemed at the end of the Indian episode, but if making him a arrogant jerk was to make him more adult and less of a goody-two-shoes, I don't think it was done well.

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Old December 19 2013, 11:38 AM   #132
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On the other hand, we have the so British Captain from Franche-Comté. There's no problem with the absence of French stereotypes, but he's not even able to say his name. At least, don't make him always drinking tea.
Perhaps they could have replaced the Earl Grey and Shakespeare with Coffee and Voltaire?
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Old December 19 2013, 01:14 PM   #133
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Picard drinking tea isn't un-French. In fact, France invented the currently most widely accepted method of preparing tea (by adding milk to taste), something it never occured to Britain to do.

On the other hand, Picard takes his tea without milk.
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Old December 19 2013, 07:42 PM   #134
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I think a decent consensus about the holodeck is that it's nice to have, just don't base entire episodes on them, especially episodes about accidentally malfunctioning holodecks.

I'll admit though, that there are a couple neat applications of the holodeck from a narrative standpoint. Voyager encountering a race that communcated to them through the holodeck was a nice idea (execution was kinda lacking, and several things were contrived, but the premise was good).
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Old December 19 2013, 10:32 PM   #135
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On the other hand, we have the so British Captain from Franche-Comté. There's no problem with the absence of French stereotypes, but he's not even able to say his name. At least, don't make him always drinking tea.
Perhaps they could have replaced the Earl Grey and Shakespeare with Coffee and Voltaire?
Shakespeare is not so much a problem, he has a lot of francophone readers. Picard's habits are simply too modeled on what Stewart appreciates. I would have hired Thermians of Galaxy Quest to developp a more frenchy character. They really convinced me with the food scene. Or renaming him John-Locke Picker. (Of course, Picard is not Picker in french. A Picard is a dude from Picardie. There's also a lot of Huron-Wendot called Picard...WHO SAID SHUT UP!?!?!)
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