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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old December 17 2013, 10:49 PM   #31
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Re: Was Kruge... 'misunderstood'?

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I did think Kruge killing his wife seemed like, well, overkill. Did he not trust her? Could he not have taken her into protective custody until his mission was complete?
Of course, Kruge was a kill happy psychopath, but he did seem a little sad at killing his wife, but only a little.
Regarding Valkris, I've always liked the explanation given in the novelization, that she and Kruge were never in a relationship, and never even met face to face. Valkris' family had fallen on hard times, and she saw her mission as a way of regaining honor, which is why she refers to Kruge as her love; he's her family's ticket to redemption and glory.

As for Kruge....yeah, he doesn't come across as very smart a lot of the time, but I've wondered if the whole reason he was in charge of a BoP in the first place was because he had family in high places who were able to secure him a command he otherwise probably wouldn't have merited.
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Old December 17 2013, 10:49 PM   #32
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As for killing Valkris....the merchant vessel would've gotten suspicious if she transported out, and would've had time to raise shields or send a message out. So I think that's why she had to die (from Kruge's perspective).
I do think it's odd that Kruge needed to decloak to receive a message. Probably didn't want to pay alimony.
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Old December 17 2013, 11:35 PM   #33
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WTF was Kruge expecting?
He was playing a game of strategy, thinking that Kirk would act to preserve his life and would therefore be forced to reveal what he knew.
And how did Kruge plan to store the information revealed by Kirk?!?!

Take out an organizer and start writing?

(Kirk: "Protomatter" Kruge: "Hold on, that's too fast. How you spell that?" [writes down] "P-R-O-T-O-M-A-T-T-E-R, correct?)

Before the time he'd be done the whole planet would have exploded. The way Kruge was acting, it's no wonder Q referred to a member of the Klingon race as "microbrain"

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A reasonable observation.

One thing Kruge cannot be accused of being is smart. He did impulsively beam down to the rapidly decaying planet upon discovering that Kirk did not die with his ship. Throughout the movie, he had demonstrated a personal code: capture those who service his needs, kill those who have outlived their usefulness. This is why he wanted to take prisoners from the U.S.S. Grissom. It is also why he beamed Kirk's comrades up to the Bird of Prey. He believed they still had value.

On the surface of Genesis, he had two options left: either kill Kirk to avenge his crew, or prey on the human capacity for self-preservation and then give the command "Maltz! Beam us up!" once he'd secured his prisoner. (Obviously, he never heard about Kirk's "Corbomite Maneuver"). At that point, he probably wasn't sure which one he wanted more, but he wasn't about to rule out either option. As a result of his indecision, Kirk got the upper hand and Kruge fell to his death.

Kruge had the capacity for strategy, but lacked the self-control to see it come to fruition. He also had a lot of dumbasses working for him.
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Old December 18 2013, 12:39 AM   #34
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I always thought Kruge killed Valkris so that he could take all the credit himself for finding Genesis. If Valkris had managed to make it back home before he did, she could have used Genesis to enhance her own power and standing within the Empire.
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Old December 18 2013, 04:13 AM   #35
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I always thought Kruge killed Valkris so that he could take all the credit himself for finding Genesis. If Valkris had managed to make it back home before he did, she could have used Genesis to enhance her own power and standing within the Empire.

I don't think so...he seemed genuinely sad when she died.
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Old December 18 2013, 05:45 AM   #36
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Kruge did seem sad when his *crew* died (we see him hiding his face in his hands) but not when he killed Valkris. He seemed convinced that he had to kill her.

Although maybe he just did it to prevent anyone else getting ahold of her and torturing her for Genesis info.
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Old December 18 2013, 06:20 AM   #37
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...Kruge was awesome. He wanted to kill everybody and everything and all the time it seemed he could do it...He killed more people than VGer, Khan, the whale probe, Klaa and Chang's gang put together.
Only if you don't count Klingons as "people", since V'ger wiped out three shiploads of them, plus Epsilon Nine.
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Old December 18 2013, 02:07 PM   #38
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I love Kruge too, and this film.
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Old January 10 2014, 06:54 PM   #39
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...Kruge was awesome. He wanted to kill everybody and everything and all the time it seemed he could do it...He killed more people than VGer, Khan, the whale probe, Klaa and Chang's gang put together.
Only if you don't count Klingons as "people", since V'ger wiped out three shiploads of them, plus Epsilon Nine.
Of course they aren't people. But even if they were, Kruge would want to kill them too. How can we be sure those three ships weren't fleeing him?
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