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Old December 18 2013, 11:25 AM   #151
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

Ah, well ... it was fun, while it lasted! I never did buy her as having a thousand years of wisdom behind her eyes, though. But she didn't need all that ... what she really needed was a micro-miniskirt as part of her regular uniform - not unlike the one she wore in Trials and Tribulations! Mmmmm ... that was pretty mini, as I recall. DS9 would have these occassional flashes of brilliance, like that and then ... have it go nowhere.
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Old December 18 2013, 11:52 AM   #152
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Where did you want it to go? Jadzia returns to her century and does a complete makeover on station uniforms?
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Old December 18 2013, 11:56 AM   #153
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Well ... no ... not as such. But, she could bring her old skant uniform out of storage and hike it up a bit, for a start ...
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Old December 18 2013, 12:02 PM   #154
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Where did you want it to go? Jadzia returns to her century and does a complete makeover on station uniforms?
I'm listening.
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Old December 18 2013, 12:22 PM   #155
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As long as you get the men in skants I'm on board.

I know Miles will refuse but I bet it would be easy to get Julian into one, just have Jadzia casually mention how hot men look in them.
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Old December 18 2013, 12:46 PM   #156
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Skants? Yuch. I was thinking something along these lines. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AOW2yDG_VB...sreeves185.jpg
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Old December 18 2013, 03:24 PM   #157
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I'LL TAKE IT!
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Old December 18 2013, 09:17 PM   #158
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Well, at least they didn't dump Jake Sisko, they didn't turn him into a psycho who were planning to kill everybody on the station, including his father and they didn't turn him into a whimpy wreck determined to go home to Earth to live in a cave either.
That would be incorrect. "The Reckoning" & "The Visitor" or "Nor the Battle to the Strong" both of those things happened to Jake.
Not to mention that they didn't dump anyone when Worf was brought in.
No need to mention it, before Worf joined DS9 only had 8 main cast members allowing them the budget to add one more.

As a big fan of Jadzia Dax while I was sad to see her go, I accept the character is dead and have no problems with main characters being killed off on the programs I watch especially since death of main characters on TV shows is becoming more & more common.
I haven't watched all episodses of DS9 yet but what I know, in all cases mentioned above, Jake was restored back to normal. The series didn't end with him remaining a psycho or a pathetic wreck.

If the budget was so tight for Voyager that they couldn't have 10 main character (which I doubt) then maybe they shouldn't have started dabbling with the cast and instead had worked with what they already had (which was a good cast indeed).

Even if you accept favorite characters being killed off, then please try to understand and respect those who feels different, especially when it comes to how "the Kes issue" was handled by those in charge.

Personally I learned a few things from Voyager which made me create two rules for watching a series:

1. Don't ever get too involved with a series and/or its characters because it might end up in a big dissapointment.

2. If a main character is killed off or dumped in a way you feel inappropriate, quit watching the series immediately and never look back.
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Old December 19 2013, 02:09 AM   #159
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The sad thing was that they killed of Dax. I don't know if the actress wanted to quit or not, there are some who claim it was a contract conflict. Whatever, they shouldn't have killed off the character. They could have had her sent on some mission somewhere (maybe to find Voyager) and brought in Ezri without the "Dax" connection.
I seem to recall an interview with Terry Farrell where she says straight that she would've prefered Jadzia to be transfered rather than killed off... she said it was affection for the character, but also I think she'd have prefered it because if this Becker thing didn't work out she would still have had some life-line to returning to DS9... but it's a well known tactic used by some Hollywood producers, to kill off characters whose actors walk from their show, precisely so that their bridge backwards gets burnt behind them. Perhaps Farrell did come to regret her decision to jump on Ted Danson's new show instead of staying on the Star Trek ticket one more year. Or maybe she figured, hey, it's only one more season anyways so what the hell.

This "kill off the character because the actor wants to leave" trope is so common in TV-land that the occasions when it isn't used, like when Detective John Kelly in NYPD Blue was allowed to stay alive (off-screen) even though David Caruso was being an asshole and leaving the show under a cloud, are all the more notable.
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Old December 19 2013, 02:17 AM   #160
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Oh, c'mon. When you've got the whole symbiote thing built into the Dax character from the beginning, how do you NOT play that card if the opportunity arises? There's almost no point to having a Trill regular if you don't have her/him get a new host at some point. It's like having a Vulcan and never doing a pon faar plot . . .

Not introducing a new Dax when Terry Ferrell sought greener pastures would have been a crime against storytelling.
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Old December 19 2013, 02:32 AM   #161
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I actually agree with you, Greg. It'd be like doing a version of Doctor Who and not regenerating the Doctor. Waste of a concept.

Having said that, I don't think they'd have done it at all if Farrell wasn't making noises about wanting to leave.
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Old December 19 2013, 02:54 AM   #162
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Yeah. Jadzia's my favorite DS9 character, but if she wanted to leave, the storytelling opprotunity is just too good not to have a new Dax.
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Old December 19 2013, 03:07 AM   #163
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I still don't know why Dukat killed her.

In his crazy mind Jadzia was his buddy.

He didn't need the time she'd lose him by calling security, and she didn't have the power to stop him.

Maybe the Paghwraith inside him had something against her?
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Old December 19 2013, 06:23 AM   #164
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He was on bath salts, basically. I never thought he personally killed her, as in wanted Jadzia dead.
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Old December 19 2013, 06:51 AM   #165
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Even if you accept favorite characters being killed off, then please try to understand and respect those who feels different, especially when it comes to how "the Kes issue" was handled by those in charge.
I've tried but beating a dead nearly decade old horse has become annoying. Even tolerance has it's limits.

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I still don't know why Dukat killed her.

In his crazy mind Jadzia was his buddy.

He didn't need the time she'd lose him by calling security, and she didn't have the power to stop him.

Maybe the Paghwraith inside him had something against her?
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