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Old March 16 2013, 05:58 PM   #46
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Re: Futureproofing (for viewing) the next Trek TV series

Netflix doesn't stream at blu-ray quality at the moment. I think for a lot of people the appeal of HDTV was a bigger screen. I know people who have HD and still watch SD channels stretched because they don't even realize it. And google "3D is dead".

Shooting in 4K might not be a bad idea depending on the costs but I'm not sure the public will be banging down the doors for these just yet. I don't see any harm in reasonable future-proofing but I don't know that they need to go too far. Ironically, the best future-proofing might be to shoot on film with practical effects.

There might be more than tech though, BBC America is showing nine(!) reruns of TNG today, why not the later series with HD and newer FX?
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Old July 5 2013, 06:50 PM   #47
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stereoscopic 3-D for TV series

still a possibility but based on BBC's 2-year 3-D pilot program including making a Doctor Who anniversary episode in 3-D to be broadcast and shown in cinemas on November 23, 2013.

Kim Shillinglaw, the BBC’s head of 3D, has admitted that the technology has not taken off with the British public and said that the Corporation will take a three-year break from developing 3D programming at the end of this year.
that would be the end of 2016. By then we'll have a new Avatar sequel and who knows maybe 3-D will continue but more than a pilot (possibly screened in cinemas as an event) for the next Trek series in 3-D sounds unlikely.

the news is another blow for the format, following the announced closure of ESPN's 3D channel.
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Old November 19 2013, 10:37 AM   #48
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UHD 8k in 2020 - Trek before 2018?

It is 2013 and we have new TV series currently shot and mastered in Ultra HD 4k.

from 2 articles this week:
Here is Japan making test programming in UHD 8k Super Hi-Vision (SHV).

The TV of the Future is Already in Japan and It Feels Like Real Life
Its name is The Chorus, a choral drama filmed with a still camera that looks into a Wes Andersonian building cutout.
so incredibly realistic that it feels like you’re looking through a window into real life
8k technology in Japan:
full implantation expected by 2020

Introducing 8K: The Final Frontier?
8K (Super Hi-Vision) should truly come into its own in sports coverage. In a sport such as football (soccer), for example, it is possible to view the whole pitch at once and follow the motion of the ball and every player clearly.
While a sci-fi drama doesn't need this type of super realism it does lead to say in 10-15 years when this tech fully hits mainstream will a scifi drama like Star Trek be shot edited and accepted differently? I think the editing pace would be MUCH slower for a larger screen and higher resolution. You can let a wide scene play longer. The whole idea of more resolution (8k) means people would have wall-sized screens at home and not 32" televisions.

Now we can enjoy a show like TNG or VOY on a 13" color tv in standard definition.
TNG's remastered treatment to 1080p HD allows for more details and sharp image adding to that realistic feel. Would 8k futureproof the next Star Trek?

I think the next series to be shot will be mastered in 4k and shot and edited traditionally like VOY and ENT but with digital 4k cameras. Even if a series started shooting in 2017 I am unsure if the tech will be ready to shoot in 8k to futureproof Trek for the next 50 years.
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Old December 16 2013, 05:46 PM   #49
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Re: UHD 8k in 2020 - Trek before 2018?

As much as I think discussion about 4k content is really nothing but spec-porn(especially for over compressed online streams), in the interest of full disclosure, it looks like Amazon is moving ahead with 4k for its new original programming.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...l-Drama-Comedy
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Old December 17 2013, 11:41 PM   #50
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Re: Futureproofing (for viewing) the next Trek TV series

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As much as I think discussion about 4k content is really nothing but spec-porn(especially for over compressed online streams), in the interest of full disclosure, it looks like Amazon is moving ahead with 4k for its new original programming.
Sorry, I just saw "4k" and "porn" and tuned out everything else...
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Old August 14 2014, 05:10 PM   #51
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Re: Futureproofing (for viewing) the next Trek TV series

The next Star Trek tv series will be mixed at a minimum in 7.1 surround sound like all the Trek TV series released on Blu-ray.

I think futureproofing will be mixing it in Dolby Home Atmos 7.1.4.

That’s seven speakers on stands at ear level, one subwoofer, and four overhead speakers on the ceiling. For immersiveness and directionality of sound.

The recommended minimum layout of 7.1.4, but Atmos is capable of scaling up to more speakers if you install them (or down to less as well).

The Blu-ray version of Atmos can support up to 24.1.10 discrete speakers. Consumers will not see anything beyond 7.1.4 for another 10 years.
Tests are being done now to standardize on 7.1.4 .

Dolby Home Atmos hardware available Q4 2014.


Atmos titles on Blu-ray are coming, but specific titles and release dates are not ready to be announced yet. Additionally, some streaming platforms (again, not yet announced) will support Atmos via the lossy Dolby Digital Plus codec.

Some quotes here from:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/do...mos-home-demo/
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Old March 16 2015, 07:55 PM   #52
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UHD or 6k?

House of Cards season 3 for Netflix is not only being shot in 6k resolution but being finished and mastered in 6k as an archive master. This is much higher than the next TV spec 4K Ultra high definition television (UHD).
Trek TV has CGI requirements for all episodes. I can see them shooting in 4K UHD or 6k if they use new cameras.
I think that if the next Trek TV series happens in the next 2-3 years that they will render all CGI in 1080p for broadcast if it airs on a linear HDTV channel to make deadlines and lower cost and before the 4k Blu-ray/season download is released the following year they will complete all CGI renders in 4k UHD resolution of 3840×2160 pixels and deliver a 4K UHD master. Maybe they will just pay to do it at 4K UHD from the start to futureproof the next Trek TV series?
For a ROI it is too costly to deliver CGI for a Trek TV series at higher than 4k.
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Old April 6 2015, 05:29 PM   #53
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Re: UHD or 6k?

I definitely see 4k in the Trek future, there's a noticeable difference from 1080p, but 4k to 8k? Not sure if we start to lose the benefits there..unless you want to watch tv on a billboard outside.

3D as it is may not be a futureproofing necessity.

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Old April 6 2015, 05:32 PM   #54
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Re: Futureproofing (for viewing) the next Trek TV series

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Netflix doesn't stream at blu-ray quality at the moment. I think for a lot of people the appeal of HDTV was a bigger screen. I know people who have HD and still watch SD channels stretched because they don't even realize it. And google "3D is dead".

Shooting in 4K might not be a bad idea depending on the costs but I'm not sure the public will be banging down the doors for these just yet. I don't see any harm in reasonable future-proofing but I don't know that they need to go too far. Ironically, the best future-proofing might be to shoot on film with practical effects.

There might be more than tech though, BBC America is showing nine(!) reruns of TNG today, why not the later series with HD and newer FX?

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444
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Old April 6 2015, 09:53 PM   #55
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Re: Futureproofing (for viewing) the next Trek TV series

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Netflix doesn't stream at blu-ray quality at the moment. I think for a lot of people the appeal of HDTV was a bigger screen. I know people who have HD and still watch SD channels stretched because they don't even realize it. And google "3D is dead".

Shooting in 4K might not be a bad idea depending on the costs but I'm not sure the public will be banging down the doors for these just yet. I don't see any harm in reasonable future-proofing but I don't know that they need to go too far. Ironically, the best future-proofing might be to shoot on film with practical effects.

There might be more than tech though, BBC America is showing nine(!) reruns of TNG today, why not the later series with HD and newer FX?

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444
There is very little "4K" content on Netflix. While it is pretty, it is still susceptible to bandwidth issues just like the rest of their material.

I have a 4K TV and it is pretty. But I'd still rather have a Blu-ray disc playing at 1080p than a 4K stream.
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Old April 7 2015, 02:06 AM   #56
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Welcome to two years ago people, necromancy happened here :P.
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Old April 11 2015, 05:14 PM   #57
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I really don't want realistic TV. That's why I quit watching it in the first place. Too many damned reality shows trying to be realistic.
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Old April 14 2015, 05:42 PM   #58
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Re: Futureproofing (for viewing) the next Trek TV series

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The only problem with a CGI series is, the cost would be outrageous, better to do animated.
If this guy can do a CGI show like this on his own time and dime and with DAZ Studio, then CBS Studios can do a CGI animated series for Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, Netflix, Amazon TV, Sony's Play Station TV set-up, etc. Heck, we've got the new Star Wars show, Rebels, to show how it can be done.
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