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Old December 17 2013, 05:27 PM   #31
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Re: CBS Developing 2 New Treks?

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If CBS wants to save a ton of money on their Trek series budget, all they'd have to do is recreate TOS exactly, with another recast of the classic characters. I'd watch it.
Meh... those youtube movies serve the same purpose.
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Old December 17 2013, 07:47 PM   #32
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Why does Moonves think Star Trek has to make more money than
"The Big Bang Theory" & "CSI: [Insert Some City Here]" for him to consider it?
Isn't "as much money as ...." or "a lot of money" valid enough reasons?
It's called opportunity cost. There are a limited number of hours that CBS has to show new programming. To maximize revenue, Moonves wants to fill those hours with the shows that will make the most money. If giving Star Trek an hour a week means canceling CSI: XYZ, then scheduling Star Trek results in less profit for CBS unless Star Trek can make more money than CSI.
Your statement is correct, yes, but why would a new Trek series have to replace one of CBS's flagship shows? Instead of Trek taking the slot of CSI or BBT, Trek would take the place of one of the under-performing shows (such as "We are Men" or "Hostages" this season).

Trek wouldn't have to make more than the top-performing shows, just more than the show that it does replace, which it could likely do easily.
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Old December 17 2013, 08:23 PM   #33
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Trek wouldn't have to make more than the top-performing shows, just more than the show that it does replace, which it could likely do easily.
It would still need to make more because it would cost far more to produce.
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Old December 17 2013, 08:48 PM   #34
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Trek wouldn't have to make more than the top-performing shows, just more than the show that it does replace, which it could likely do easily.
It would still need to make more because it would cost far more to produce.
You're correct that the total dollar amount may be more depending on how the production costs compared, but my point was that it wouldn't have to make a larger profit.
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Old December 17 2013, 09:26 PM   #35
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Trek wouldn't have to make more than the top-performing shows, just more than the show that it does replace, which it could likely do easily.
It would still need to make more because it would cost far more to produce.
You're correct that the total dollar amount may be more depending on how the production costs compared, but my point was that it wouldn't have to make a larger profit.
But usually when a company invests a larger amount of money in something they want a larger return. Why invest a hundred dollars to make ten dollars if you can invest ten dollars to make ten dollars?
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Old December 17 2013, 09:40 PM   #36
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The same reason people invest in big companies like Apple and Google, rather than dealing solely in penny stocks.

It is true that they could get lucky and spend a third of the budget they'd spend on a Trek series and have a successful new sitcom that makes the same or larger profit margin than a Trek show would, but there is also a MUCH higher risk that it will fail.

If you invest into more money into an established franchise with a big fan-base that would watch the show it has a much lower risk of failing. It also has the added benefit, that whether the show is a success or failure, they will have more of an opportunity to make money on recurring DVD/Bluray/Digital sales as well as merchandising rights.
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Old December 17 2013, 09:52 PM   #37
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The same reason people invest in big companies like Apple and Google, rather than dealing solely in penny stocks.

It is true that they could get lucky and spend a third of the budget they'd spend on a Trek series and have a successful new sitcom that makes the same or larger profit margin than a Trek show would, but there is also a MUCH higher risk that it will fail.

If you invest into more money into an established franchise with a big fan-base that would watch the show it has a much lower risk of failing. It also has the added benefit, that whether the show is a success or failure, they will have more of an opportunity to make money on recurring DVD/Bluray/Digital sales as well as merchandising rights.
Any executive in charge of green-lighting a show is going to have to explain how episodes #701-? are going to outdraw Enterprise which ended its run with less than two million viewers a week. They're also going to have to explain why the franchise suffered dwindling ratings starting with Deep Space Nine and why there was little growth in the box office numbers for Star Trek Into Darkness in comparison to Star Trek 2009.

Trek may have worn out its small screen welcome with the over-saturation of the 90's and high production costs.

I think eventually it will return, nothing stays dead forever in Hollywood. But I think the product will be so different from the Berman shows that it will be unrecognizable. Which may end up being a bigger blow to those who want Trek back than no show at all.
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Old December 17 2013, 10:11 PM   #38
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I think eventually it will return, nothing stays dead forever in Hollywood. But I think the product will be so different from the Berman shows that it will be unrecognizable. Which may end up being a bigger blow to those who want Trek back than no show at all.
So, in other words, it'll be like the transition from TOS to TNG, which IMO made Star Trek the phenomenon that it is.
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Old December 17 2013, 10:19 PM   #39
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Star Trek: The Next Generation helped, but the franchise as phenomenon definitely began in the 1970s, when the original series was in daily syndication and conventions were a weekly occurrence.
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Old December 17 2013, 10:42 PM   #40
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I think eventually it will return, nothing stays dead forever in Hollywood. But I think the product will be so different from the Berman shows that it will be unrecognizable. Which may end up being a bigger blow to those who want Trek back than no show at all.
So, in other words, it'll be like the transition from TOS to TNG, which IMO made Star Trek the phenomenon that it is.
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Star Trek: The Next Generation helped, but the franchise as phenomenon definitely began in the 1970s, when the original series was in daily syndication and conventions were a weekly occurrence.
What Harvey said. Star Trek was a pretty big phenomenon well before TNG arrived on the scene.

TOS continues to be the King well after general audiences have forgotten about Berman Trek.
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Old December 17 2013, 11:06 PM   #41
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NuBSG's "Blood and Chrome" was an experiment to produce a scifi show without a lot of standing sets to save money. Not in the same look and feel that Trek has, but it could be a way to create a new series with a lower budget that TNG...
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Old December 17 2013, 11:10 PM   #42
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NuBSG's "Blood and Chrome" was an experiment to produce a scifi show without a lot of standing sets to save money. Not in the same look and feel that Trek has, but it could be a way to create a new series with a lower budget that TNG...
I'd rather have no Trek than cheap Trek.
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Old December 17 2013, 11:17 PM   #43
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While TOS may have been a phenomenon in the 70's and 80's, I don't think it would have lasted nearly 50 years, if it hadn't been for the resurgence that came with the Berman-era and now again in the Abrams-era. Would it still be around, most likely, but no where near to the same degree.
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Old December 17 2013, 11:17 PM   #44
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NuBSG's "Blood and Chrome" was an experiment to produce a scifi show without a lot of standing sets to save money. Not in the same look and feel that Trek has, but it could be a way to create a new series with a lower budget that TNG...
I'd rather have no Trek than cheap Trek.
I'd be fine with a low budget, but no more spinoffs, sequels, prequels, or geekuels for me.
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Old December 17 2013, 11:18 PM   #45
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NuBSG's "Blood and Chrome" was an experiment to produce a scifi show without a lot of standing sets to save money. Not in the same look and feel that Trek has, but it could be a way to create a new series with a lower budget that TNG...
I'd rather have no Trek than cheap Trek.
Whatever happened to Trek being about the stories?
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