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Old December 16 2013, 05:13 AM   #16
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Re: Paul Dini: Superhero Cartoon Producers don't want girl viewers

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Well, if you think about it, making robots female is no weirder than making them male.

I mean, if we're talking robots that can build mini-robots within their own bodies, then yes, I guess female-ish robots make sense. But if we're just talking your run-of-the-mill rock'em-sock'em machines, than making them male-ish seems to me the less weird choice.
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Old December 16 2013, 05:23 AM   #17
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^The point is, it's not like male is some kind of "default" and female is the automatic "other." That's a deeply sexist assumption in itself. Making something male is a gendered choice every bit as much as making it female would be. A "neutral" form would be more androgynous.
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Old December 16 2013, 01:24 PM   #18
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Re: Paul Dini: Superhero Cartoon Producers don't want girl viewers

To be fair, it's not like "male" robots have penises or anything.
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Old December 16 2013, 01:41 PM   #19
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Data does. So does Dorian.
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Old December 16 2013, 02:32 PM   #20
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^The point is, it's not like male is some kind of "default" and female is the automatic "other." That's a deeply sexist assumption in itself. Making something male is a gendered choice every bit as much as making it female would be. A "neutral" form would be more androgynous.
But the male form IS more neutral. For some reason. Remove boobies and reduce the curves on a female body, and you get a male body. You have to ADD to a male body to get a female one.


And Optimus Prime is only male because of its voice. Replace it and tada, there you have Optimus Primabella.
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Old December 16 2013, 03:12 PM   #21
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Re: Paul Dini: Superhero Cartoon Producers don't want girl viewers

I was really annoyed to read what he had to say about the Tower Prep cancellation. My wife, daughter, son, and I all enjoyed the show, which was somehow a problem for CN? "AHHH! Adults and girls like this show! Quick, cancel it!"
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Old December 16 2013, 03:27 PM   #22
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To be fair, it's not like "male" robots have penises or anything.
The ones in Beast Wars probably do.
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Old December 16 2013, 03:33 PM   #23
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I was really annoyed to read what he had to say about the Tower Prep cancellation. My wife, daughter, son, and I all enjoyed the show, which was somehow a problem for CN? "AHHH! Adults and girls like this show! Quick, cancel it!"
Yeah, it's irrationally narrow-minded. "We're not appealing to the one group we want to sell products to, so we'll cancel the show." Even though they clearly were appealing to other audiences -- so why not just get new sponsors that wanted those audiences? They were succeeding, but not in the specific way they wanted, so they counted it as a failure? That makes no sense.
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Old December 16 2013, 03:35 PM   #24
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To be fair, it's not like "male" robots have penises or anything.
You must not read fan fiction...
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Old December 16 2013, 09:27 PM   #25
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^The point is, it's not like male is some kind of "default" and female is the automatic "other." That's a deeply sexist assumption in itself. Making something male is a gendered choice every bit as much as making it female would be. A "neutral" form would be more androgynous.
But the male form IS more neutral. For some reason. Remove boobies and reduce the curves on a female body, and you get a male body. You have to ADD to a male body to get a female one.


And Optimus Prime is only male because of its voice. Replace it and tada, there you have Optimus Primabella.
Well, that and the other characters referring to 'him' as 'he'.
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Old December 16 2013, 09:54 PM   #26
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Actually all human embryos start out anatomically female, and only develop male attributes when exposed to hormonal triggers in the womb. So if anything, female is more the default state.

And male bodies get things "added" to them as well during puberty. In addition to the obvious changes in the genitalia, they gain greater height and muscle mass, a stronger jawline, extra body hair, in many cases a tendency toward more abdominal fat, etc. That's no more "neutral" than the female form. The closest thing there is to a neutral human shape would be that of a preadolescent.

And a feminine Optimus Prime would properly be Optima Prime.
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Old December 16 2013, 10:06 PM   #27
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Re: Paul Dini: Superhero Cartoon Producers don't want girl viewers

My three year old niece is obsessed with Superman and Disney Princesses.

We are trying to fix this by exposing her to Batman.
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Old December 16 2013, 11:23 PM   #28
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I really have to wonder if some of these execs just never outgrew the "girls have cooties" phase or something. Why on Earth would you actively try to close your product off from more than half of a potential market? Aren't these f***ing guys at least supposed to be motivated by the soulless quest for cash or something?
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Old December 17 2013, 12:04 AM   #29
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Actually all human embryos start out anatomically female, and only develop male attributes when exposed to hormonal triggers in the womb. So if anything, female is more the default state.
I was going to start making lame jokes about splicing in frog genes and "nature finds a way", but I'll limit it to this:
Maybe you should introduce that point into discussions of Themyscira in the Wonder Woman thread.

And a feminine Optimus Prime would properly be Optima Prime.
Optima Princess?
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Old December 17 2013, 12:26 AM   #30
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^Only if Disney's marketing people got their hands on her.
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