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View Poll Results: Rate The Poisoned Chalice.
Outstanding 52 53.06%
Above Average 40 40.82%
Average 5 5.10%
Below Average 1 1.02%
Poor 0 0%
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Old December 12 2013, 06:17 AM   #136
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Re: TF: The Poisoned Chalice by James Swallow Review Thread (Spoilers!

Finally got my copy. The last time I posted on here, went to B&N which they had Volume 6 After Darkness and I went to go check a few areas and they had one copy left. Went in today to pick my TNG/Doctor Who hardcover and they had more copies. Still didn't get what was up with the website though.
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Old December 16 2013, 12:39 AM   #137
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Just finished reading it (popped through the mailbox this morning; I've never had so much trouble getting a trek book at release).

I liked the callback to the Zife regime, as I was thinking the same thing - a president relying on a smart deputy to manage events. Although given Velk is now off the chessboard, I hope Anjar ends up with more steel in him then Zife had(and after the scene with him and Riker I'm guessing that's the case).

Loved the Doctor's Orders referencing(not to mention the Doctor Who one), and surprised seeing the Magna Romans again. Lionheart crew was rather fun!

In all, t'was a great read. Built on previous books and told all its story threads equally well. If Peaceable Kingdoms is of the same calibre it'll have been a cracker of a mini-series.
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Old December 16 2013, 08:40 AM   #138
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Am I dreaming, or was there an allusion made to the dolphin-like character in "Dark Mirror"?
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Old December 16 2013, 09:07 AM   #139
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Yeah, I assumed that was a reference to Hwii (don't remember him loving bad jokes, but it has been a while). Riker did make the distinction between dolphin and cetaceans (Hwii was a Delphine, and I think Duane wanted him to be a dolphin but wasn't allowed due to the limitations on trek writers back then).
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Old December 16 2013, 11:01 AM   #140
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Re: TF: The Poisoned Chalice by James Swallow Review Thread (Spoilers!

Maybe this isn't the place to mention this, but I don't really care for the rating scale. What does average mean here? For all Star Trek books? For books by the author? For fiction in general? I enjoyed this book quite a bit, but as it wasn't outstanding or poor, I felt . I have found Swallow's books in general to be of high quality (making it average for him), but as I don't read all Trek books any more I don't know how it rates against all other Trek books, much less all fiction. I prefer a wider scale (1-10), and more along the lines of terrible/bad/mediocre/good/great than below average/average/above average.
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Old December 16 2013, 04:00 PM   #141
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I'd like for there to be at least one more position between Above Average and outstanding, say "very good". Most books I rate as AA but I like them more than that but I reserve outstanding for books I want to read and read again.
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Old December 16 2013, 05:51 PM   #142
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ToddCam wrote: View Post
Maybe this isn't the place to mention this, but I don't really care for the rating scale. What does average mean here? For all Star Trek books? For books by the author? For fiction in general? I enjoyed this book quite a bit, but as it wasn't outstanding or poor, I felt . I have found Swallow's books in general to be of high quality (making it average for him), but as I don't read all Trek books any more I don't know how it rates against all other Trek books, much less all fiction. I prefer a wider scale (1-10), and more along the lines of terrible/bad/mediocre/good/great than below average/average/above average.
Ok, when you see "Poor", think "Terrible". When you see "Below Average", think "Bad". When you see "Average", think "Mediocre". When you see "Above Average" think "Good". When you see "Outstanding" think "Great". And click away.

It's a rating on a scale from 1 to 5. Make of it what you will.

And I think, given the ratings page that lists all the books and their polls so far, that changing the way we do polls at this point would be LESS clear (due to problems being commensurate).
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Old December 16 2013, 05:59 PM   #143
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Ok, when you see "Poor", think "Terrible". When you see "Below Average", think "Bad". When you see "Average", think "Mediocre". When you see "Above Average" think "Good". When you see "Outstanding" think "Great". And click away.

It's a rating on a scale from 1 to 5. Make of it what you will.

And I think, given the ratings page that lists all the books and their polls so far, that changing the way we do polls at this point would be LESS clear (due to problems being commensurate).
Well, yes, that's what I did already. I understand about the ratings page, so it makes sense not to make waves.
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Old December 16 2013, 07:57 PM   #144
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Newspaper Taxi wrote: View Post
Am I dreaming, or was there an allusion made to the dolphin-like character in "Dark Mirror"?
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Yeah, I assumed that was a reference to Hwii (don't remember him loving bad jokes, but it has been a while). Riker did make the distinction between dolphin and cetaceans (Hwii was a Delphine, and I think Duane wanted him to be a dolphin but wasn't allowed due to the limitations on trek writers back then).
Actually, it's a reference to the "cetacean ops" that appear on the TNG Enterprise blueprints...
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Old December 16 2013, 08:30 PM   #145
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Finished this book a few days ago, loved it! I've really enjoyed all of The Fall so far, but this one is my favorite. I'm anxious to see how the events of this book play out in the future, especially in regards to Riker, Dax, Bashir, and Vale. It was good to see Tom Riker again, too.

Mr. Swallow, congrats on making the NYT best-seller list!

Pretty much my exact thoughts as well.
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Old December 17 2013, 02:22 AM   #146
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Re: TF: The Poisoned Chalice by James Swallow Review Thread (Spoilers!

Where does Nydak II come from? I think it's the Spaceflight Chronology but I haven't found it there.
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Old December 17 2013, 04:54 AM   #147
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One moment...

Not seeing it in that book. Will re-read it later in the week...
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Old December 17 2013, 11:43 AM   #148
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Where does Nydak II come from? I think it's the Spaceflight Chronology but I haven't found it there.
I'm pretty sure I made that one up.
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Old December 18 2013, 04:10 AM   #149
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Where does Nydak II come from? I think it's the Spaceflight Chronology but I haven't found it there.
I'm pretty sure I made that one up.
*blinks* Made.... up....?

Is that allowed? ;-)
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Old December 18 2013, 04:33 AM   #150
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I have finished and I want to say The Poisoned Chalice is a very good read. I am expecting the last book in The Fall to also be very good.
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