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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old December 15 2013, 12:09 AM   #151
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Re: LAY OFF Insurrection/Nemesis

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Just to be fair, I'm going to post the opposite view(s) of fans and pro critics that did like Insurrection/Nemesis, mostly from Metacritic:

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-George Powell, San Francisco Examiner
How could anyone have typed the above with a straight face or without blushing?
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Old December 15 2013, 12:24 AM   #152
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Re: LAY OFF Insurrection/Nemesis

^ I guess that he saw and like the movie enough to defend its merits.

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opinions that don't change as a response to effective arguments aren't opinions so much as dogma.
So by that measure, I guess that I can convince you to like this movie by showing you this essay on why it's been wronged?

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Old December 15 2013, 01:18 AM   #153
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Re: LAY OFF Insurrection/Nemesis

Maybe, though Sonak clearly said "effective" arguments.
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Old December 15 2013, 07:07 PM   #154
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Re: LAY OFF Insurrection/Nemesis

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^ I guess that he saw and like the movie enough to defend its merits.
I get liking the film, and defedning its merits as many posters on this board have done time and time again. But shining like a crown jewel in the Star Trek firmament? Come on...
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Old December 17 2013, 04:38 AM   #155
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Re: LAY OFF Insurrection/Nemesis

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^ I guess that he saw and like the movie enough to defend its merits.

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opinions that don't change as a response to effective arguments aren't opinions so much as dogma.
So by that measure, I guess that I can convince you to like this movie by showing you this essay on why it's been wronged?

well, I just sort of skimmed that for now, but it's probably not the best example since I don't think TPM is a terrible movie, merely a mediocre one, so persuading me to go from 2 or 2.5 stars to 3 or 3.5 isn't a heavy lift.

Moreover though, there are certainly movies that I disliked but have come to see with a new respect(even if I don't come to actually ENJOY them) thanks to some well reasoned arguments. And the opposite is true-after "The Dark Knight" came out and it received almost universal praise, I loved it, but made sure to read critical reviews that touched on things like plot holes.

The bottom line is that movies are art, not mathematical or scientific truths. Half of the fun of reading stuff on a forum like this is to see if new angles on a movie can get you to re-think your opinion on it.
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Old December 17 2013, 05:21 AM   #156
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Re: LAY OFF Insurrection/Nemesis

Well-said!
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