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Old December 12 2013, 06:12 AM   #316
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Re: No female starship captains in the 2250s-60s?

No, I read Nichelle Nichols' book and I definitely recall that letter from much earlier.
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Old December 12 2013, 07:36 AM   #317
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Re: No female starship captains in the 2250s-60s?

Even so, at least we now have one source it can be attributed to.
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Old December 12 2013, 08:10 AM   #318
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Re: No female starship captains in the 2250s-60s?

I feel embarressed causing all this debate but it must be a decades old book, maybe Gerrold's book but I haven't read Nicholls book or Solows.

I did read those Best of Trek books a long time ago too.

I think there was also a story in it about de Forest Kelley where a fan sent him a joint and said that she wanted to turn him on like he turned her on.

Funny the things you remember.
Its sad that I don't have those books now
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Old December 12 2013, 01:39 PM   #319
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Re: No female starship captains in the 2250s-60s?

Oooo, the Best Of Trek books, I wonder if I could have read it there.
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Old December 13 2013, 07:28 PM   #320
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Re: No female starship captains in the 2250s-60s?

Last night and this morning, I gave some thought to the Janice Lester question.

Memory Alpha article aside, I don't recall any canonical reference to Lester actually serving in Starfleet. Can anybody else cite anything?

In the absence of any evidence, I propose this backstory:

Kirk, Lester, and Coleman all met as Academy cadets. They may or may not have had some shipboard service together, but Kirk and Lester had a brief romance, with Kirk concluding that Lester was mentally unbalanced, and most likely sociopathic. When the time came for the "psych test," Lester failed miserably, and was excluded from entering the Command track. She convinced herself that she was being singled out because of her gender, challenged the ruling -- the first sexual discrimination suit brought against Starfleet since pre-Federation days -- and lost, badly. She briefly investigated gender reassignment surgery, but even in the 23rd century, it involved a lengthy preparatory/screening process, and the permanent loss of the ability to produce offspring, and between that and the general consensus among her doctors that it would do more harm than good to her chances of getting into the Command track at the Academy, she gave up, left the Academy, and pursued a Ph.D. in xenoarchaeology at U.C. Berkeley. But she never gave up her delusion that it was her gender, rather than her sociopathic and emotionally disturbed nature, that had kept her out of the Command track at the Academy.

Coleman was smitten with an unconditional and utterly jealousy-free (but entirely unrequited) love for Lester, and after bouncing around among minor Starfleet postings, culminating in his being dismissed from a CMO posting for incompetence, leaves Starfleet, finds that his reputation has done him little good in civilian medicine, and signs on to Lester's expedition to the planet that was the subject of her doctoral dissertation, Camus II.

Several years into the expedition, Lester makes a discovery: while the ancient civilization there had never managed to discover a FTL stardrive, they did manage to discover a way to exchange minds between bodies. No doubt the discoverer of the underlying principle feverishly developed a practical version as a way to save the life of a beloved, but terminally ill, spouse, and at first, the technology was only used to save the terminally ill by transposing their consciousness into the bodies of condemned criminals, but almost certainly at some point, the Camus II rulers used the technology as a means of achieving immortality, leading to tyranny that almost certainly doomed their civilization.

Lester, after using members of her expedition as unwilling guinea pigs in her experiments with the device, deliberately exposes them to celebium radiation, first to test whether the death of one member of a transposed pair would make the transposition permanent, and then to silence them. By the time Kirk arrives, she and Coleman are the only ones not either dead or dying of radiation poisoning. And the rest is canon.

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Old December 13 2013, 07:50 PM   #321
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Re: No female starship captains in the 2250s-60s?

hbquikcomjamesl wrote: View Post
Last night and this morning, I gave some thought to the Janice Lester question.

Memory Alpha article aside, I don't recall any canonical reference to Lester actually serving in Starfleet. Can anybody else cite anything?
Janice refers to "the year we were together at Starfleet." So she was attached to Starfleet in some capacity for a period of at least one year. I've always assumed she meant Starfleet Academy, that they were together there but she either washed out due to her instability or, as you suggest, quit due to being deemed unsuitable for command training.
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Old December 13 2013, 07:56 PM   #322
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Re: No female starship captains in the 2250s-60s?

We also can't rule out that being the way she is she took the affair a lot more seriously then Kirk did, particularly when he was much younger and eager to do what he needed to advance his career.

Here's another thought. Long befire TWOK was even an idea and someone conjured up the name of Carol Marcus in WNMHGB Gary Mitchell jokes about aiming a "little blonde lab technician" at Kirk at the Academy. I always wondered if it could have been Ruth (re: "Shore Leave"), but why couldn't it have been Janice Lester? She could easily have been blonde back in the day.
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Old December 13 2013, 08:21 PM   #323
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Re: No female starship captains in the 2250s-60s?

And my "dying spouse/condemned criminal/tyrant" conjecture is informed by a certain piece of ancient technology in the B5 franchise.
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