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Old December 6 2013, 10:09 AM   #106
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You'll have to keep raving on about how Clarke's "mentally shot" (or "finished" or whatever), BB. He seems to bat pretty well whenever you spout stuff like that.

Superficially we're in a decent position but there's a very long way to go on a pretty flat wicket and they're only one down, as opposed to the 3-4 that would have been ideal from an Australian standpoint. Here's hoping we can go on from here, but unless something completely ridiculous happens I reckon a draw is the likely result.
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Old December 7 2013, 05:45 AM   #107
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England all out for 172. Johnson takes 7 wickets. Australia decides to bat again, with a lead just under 400.
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Old December 7 2013, 09:46 AM   #108
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Well, that was unexpected. Who knew Johnson was even remotely capable of producing that sort of performance? At Adelaide, of all places? I'm amazed, but not unhappy.

My reservations remain, however. Johnson has to keep producing these sorts of efforts to be taken seriously and the England lineup still contains people capable of batting for days. There's nothing to suggest they won't click in the second innings. Still, I'd rather be in our position than theirs.
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Old December 8 2013, 10:03 PM   #109
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I am pretty surprised, no...stunned at how this is all playing out so far.

Johnson, who couldn't hit the pitch three summers ago has, seemingly overnight, become Wasim Akram meets Joel Garner with the mo of D.K.Lillee. He is bowling ferociously, and England have been found badly wanting against pace, which is pretty surprising - Tremlett, Finn and Broad aren't exactly medium pacers.

If you were an England fan, you would be hoping, as holders, they could show some grit and fight for 2-2 and a retain, but, man, someone needs to score some runs, and I'm not sure who that is.

I reckon this series has turned on two key moments, though. Both involve Brad Haddin. Firstly his partnership with Johnson in the first innings at the Gabba, and then here in the first innings with Clarke at Adelaide. Those partnerships turned both those games on their head. Well played old man.
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Old December 9 2013, 08:35 AM   #110
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Glad to see the biggest impact rain had on this match is that the start was delayed by about 10 minutes.

It is a bit worrying that Haddin has had to perform these innings saving roles in both tests. There is still quite a bit of fragility in the Australian batting, but luckily England's has been worse.

Also seeing too much 5-zip talk by "experts". The Ashes are still in play and as long as it is Australia 3-something that's all we should be dreaming of.
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Old December 9 2013, 10:16 AM   #111
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Didn't see any play today but needless to say I'm pleased with the result.

Best to leave the whitewash predictions to that Botham fuckwit and simply hope we can sustain this quite unexpected momentum for at least one more Test.
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Old December 13 2013, 11:08 AM   #112
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A decent sort of day for us, marred by some incredibly stupid shots from several individuals who are capable of much, much better. The batting remains pretty mediocre and if the England bowlers were performing at the levels they achieved a few years ago things would be very, very different. (South Africa would belt the crap out of us.)

Surely Watson has to be ditched sooner rather than later, and Bailey demonstrated that his rather ordinary first-class record isn't a fluke.

Every possible variety of kudos should be directed toward Steven Smith - one of the most derided cricketers in recent history has surely proved he's the real deal with that innings. Brilliant stuff.

My mantra remains: There's a long way to go yet and the injury concerns around Harris before the game are a bit of a worry. But to be repetitive yet again, I'd rather be in our position than theirs.
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Old December 13 2013, 11:15 AM   #113
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Stumps Day 1 :
AUS 6/326; Johnson 39, Smith 103.

The difference between this series and the previous bout in England is that in the clutch moments earlier in the year we would fold, but this time we will just not lie down.

Today, for example when Bailey threw his wicket (and test career?) away with a dreadful hoik off Broad, Haddin joined Smith at the crease, and once again knuckled down to save our bacon and turn the game our way. That's three times he's done it now, and in my opinion is player of the series so far. How different could those first two tests have been if Haddin hadn't stood up. Even with the way Johnson is bowling, the sub-200 scores we were headed for would not have been enough.

Today's partnership with Smith (who has probably cemented his spot today with his second test ton, and by far his best innings for Australia) absolutely broke England in that heat. They are done mentally after that. An amazing stat : Johnson now has scored more runs than any Englishman. Barring Pietersen going beserk and scoring a triple hundred or something, we can safely assume the Ashes are coming back home.
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Old December 13 2013, 11:45 AM   #114
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Surely Watson has to be ditched sooner rather than later
Steve Smith notched up his second test ton today in his 14th game. Watson has played 48, many of them as opener, and notched up...3. Not good enough, but what saves him is his bowling. Arguably he is a better bowler than batsman - he can really dry the runs up when needed and build pressure, and allows us to risk playing Harris three tests in a row.

I reckon if we take the Ashes here (as appears likely), Melbourne looms as a big game for Watson. Phil Hughes has over 500 runs in Shield cricket this summer so far, and I think there will be irresistible pressure to get him into the side again in a dead rubber against a defeated England. As you rightly point out, the top order isn't delivering, and our side is quite old.

It's amazing that we've gone down the path England tried in the 90's of recalling veterans and recycled players to try and beat the arch-enemy. It never worked for them, but it has worked spectacularly for us (so far). It will be interesting to see whether a few of our older players elect to go out on a high here and retire. If they don't I can see a couple of them being given a ruthless shove to try and get the age of the side down, and Watson is probably near the top of the list of contenders for an unpleasant chat with John Inverarity.
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Old December 13 2013, 08:47 PM   #115
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So, we're winning?

Good news.
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Old December 14 2013, 11:11 AM   #116
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England crawl to stumps 200-odd behind in what seems to have been a more old-fashioned day's play. Our bowlers appear to have been reasonably patient for once and Clarke's changes reaped a crucial wicket on two or three occasions. Still, Bell can bat for days and Prior found a bit of form in Adelaide so no need for anyone to get carried away yet.

Pietersen must be Warne's only competition for the status of the most colossally arrogant and egotistical cricketer of the modern era. His latest extraordinarily stupid shot - to a bowler who's dismissed him far more often than anyone else in Tests - just reeked of "I'm ever so much better than you and I'm going to prove it". What a prat.


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[...] Haddin [...] in my opinion is player of the series so far.
Agreed. He should have been player of the match in both previous games, IMO. Just outstanding - now he's rid of the elbow injury that pretty much destroyed his batting a few summers back and his off-field issues are much brighter (thank God), he's fully resumed the place he shouldn't have lost in the first place. Great to see.
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Old December 14 2013, 11:12 AM   #117
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Stumps, Day 2 :
ENG 4/180 Trail by 205.

Really enjoyable day's play, perhaps the best of the series.

Michael Carberry and Cook really looked set for big scores, but again Carberry had no luck, playing Harris on for 43. I felt for all money Cook was set to break the drought for English centuries, but he threw it away on 72, playing a loose cut to Lyon, who continues to get important wickets.

Watson's dismissal of Root opened up the DRS controversy again. It was ridiculous to see him be given out in those circumstances, but alas, the rule for DRS is that the umpire gets the benefit of the doubt, and so the "correct" decision was made. Would love to see this overhauled, but I suppose we were due for one to go our way.

Then Pietersen. What a ridiculous shot after all that gritty batting with Cook. All that effort and patience thrown away with a shot that will go down on the all time highlights reel for soft batting efforts.

So at 4/146, England's innings sat at pretty much the same crossroads as ours did. We managed to rack up 385, but Bell and Stokes opted to play for stumps. I thought Clarke missed a trick not being more attacking with England shutting up shop with an hour to go. Oh well, it doesn't matter. You sense when Bell goes it will be a procession.
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Old December 15 2013, 11:06 AM   #118
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Well, that was quite pleasant from an Australian perspective. The England innings wrapped up, a fairly healthy lead already, two more days to hopefully knock them over... Quite pleasant.

It would be better if Warner started scoring a few more runs in first innings but this will do for now.

Little else to add, really, although the Root dismissal (which I forgot to mention last night) was just ridiculous. More DRS tinkering is required, although having said that it still didn't reach the levels of absolute ludicrousness of the Khawaja decision during the last series.

Still pleased we're in our position rather than theirs.
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Old December 17 2013, 09:13 AM   #119
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To quote the immortal RW Marsh: We've got the bastards back.

All I wanted at the start of this series was a competitive series. It hasn't really been that, but not in the way I imagine pretty much everyone expected. This has been quite a turnaround, even though the 0-3 result in England didn't entirely reflect the reality of that series.

This is a flawed Australian team and it isn't one that's going to be going around for long, but they've regained the Ashes and that will do nicely.

All credit to Stokes (dare I mention he's yet another not-born-in-England Pom?) in particular for making it a contest. No credit whatever to England for failing to applaud Smith's century. And Watson has only proved yet again that he only performs when the pressure's off.

Pleased for Clarke. Those who hate him will do so regardless of anything and everything he achieves but he deserves this. So do Haddin and Siddle.

I'll backtrack a bit on an earlier post. 5-0 would be nice. But the real result is already achieved after 14 days of the series. I'm okay with that.
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Old December 18 2013, 02:29 AM   #120
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^ I saw a list of current English cricketers who weren't born there.

Anyways, we have the Urn back. I think that this series will be the last for several of the current team. I'm looking forward to the Melbourne test. This should be the first time I've ever attended a test at the mighty ground.
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