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Old December 12 2013, 03:30 AM   #676
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I don't suppose the theater intros have been posted online yet? Is it known if they'll be on the DVD?
The theater intros are not on the DVD / Blu-ray.

The special features are:
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Old December 12 2013, 03:31 AM   #677
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Indeed.

I just watched the Paul McGann minisode "Night of the Doctor" again, and man, it was awesome. I almost wish it had been a full-length story.
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Old December 12 2013, 04:33 AM   #678
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The theater intros are not on the DVD / Blu-ray.
Well, that's disappointing. It would be a bummer if those of us who missed the theater showing never got to see them.

Although I'm disappointed in myself for not making more of an effort to see it in the theater. I didn't realize it was in 3D. I've only recently discovered (thanks to taking a chance on Gravity) that I can see the 3D effect despite my poor vision in my left eye, so I would've liked to have seen it in 3D.
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Old December 12 2013, 04:36 AM   #679
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Meh, I find 3-D is overrated anyway. Even movies where it does work, I find look better in 2-D anyway.
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Old December 12 2013, 04:37 AM   #680
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I thought the 3D was very well used in DotD.
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Old December 12 2013, 04:49 AM   #681
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I'll take your word for it. But just speculating, while the title sequence with the TARDIS flying over London and the stuff with the paintings might have looked nice in 3-D, I'm worried that with some of the darker scenes, such as everything on Gallifrey 3-D glasses would have created what I call the "sunglasses effect."
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Old December 12 2013, 04:53 AM   #682
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Meh, I find 3-D is overrated anyway. Even movies where it does work, I find look better in 2-D anyway.
Well, it's not like I want to start watching every movie in 3D. Aside from the cost consideration, I have heard that a lot of movies have bad, tacked-on 3D. But there are cases where it's integral and serves a purpose, such as Gravity. Still, I did find it a bit gimmicky there, generally more a novelty than anything else, and sometimes a bit of a distraction. Too many shots in that movie seemed designed just for the sake of shoving things into extreme close-up and going "Ooh, look, depth perception!" Although the movie was pretty much all about the amazing visuals, so I guess that wasn't quite as intrusive as it could've been.


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I thought the 3D was very well used in DotD.
I though that first moving shot of the 3D "Gallifrey Falls" painting looked really good and 3-dimensional even on my 2D TV screen, so I do wonder what it looked like in 3D. That shot following Clara's motorcycle through the TARDIS doors into the console room must've looked pretty cool in 3D too.


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I'll take your word for it. But just speculating, while the title sequence with the TARDIS flying over London and the stuff with the paintings might have looked nice in 3-D, I'm worried that with some of the darker scenes, such as everything on Gallifrey 3-D glasses would have created what I call the "sunglasses effect."
Since I'm a 3D novice, could you clarify your meaning? Are you just saying that it would make the shot look too dim? Because I noticed something in Gravity that might be completely different from what you're talking about, and I'm wondering whether it's common. On some of the shots of a bright spacesuited figure in the distance against the black of space, I got a bit of a double image that was there even when I closed one eye, so it must've been the result of the glasses failing to filter out one of the images completely. I'm wondering if that was a fault in my specific pair of glasses or in the theater's projection system, or if it's an endemic flaw in the process.
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Old December 12 2013, 05:05 AM   #683
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I have to admit that I'm so used to 3D glasses right now and that it feels so natural that I barely even notice the difference, which defeats the purpose I guess.
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Old December 12 2013, 05:42 AM   #684
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Meh, I find 3-D is overrated anyway. Even movies where it does work, I find look better in 2-D anyway.
Well, it's not like I want to start watching every movie in 3D. Aside from the cost consideration, I have heard that a lot of movies have bad, tacked-on 3D. But there are cases where it's integral and serves a purpose, such as Gravity. Still, I did find it a bit gimmicky there, generally more a novelty than anything else, and sometimes a bit of a distraction. Too many shots in that movie seemed designed just for the sake of shoving things into extreme close-up and going "Ooh, look, depth perception!" Although the movie was pretty much all about the amazing visuals, so I guess that wasn't quite as intrusive as it could've been.


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I thought the 3D was very well used in DotD.
I though that first moving shot of the 3D "Gallifrey Falls" painting looked really good and 3-dimensional even on my 2D TV screen, so I do wonder what it looked like in 3D. That shot following Clara's motorcycle through the TARDIS doors into the console room must've looked pretty cool in 3D too.


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I'll take your word for it. But just speculating, while the title sequence with the TARDIS flying over London and the stuff with the paintings might have looked nice in 3-D, I'm worried that with some of the darker scenes, such as everything on Gallifrey 3-D glasses would have created what I call the "sunglasses effect."
Since I'm a 3D novice, could you clarify your meaning? Are you just saying that it would make the shot look too dim? Because I noticed something in Gravity that might be completely different from what you're talking about, and I'm wondering whether it's common. On some of the shots of a bright spacesuited figure in the distance against the black of space, I got a bit of a double image that was there even when I closed one eye, so it must've been the result of the glasses failing to filter out one of the images completely. I'm wondering if that was a fault in my specific pair of glasses or in the theater's projection system, or if it's an endemic flaw in the process.
What you saw is often referred to as ghosting in the A/V media online fora. It is related, I believe, to something called crosstalk. If I understand the tech correctly, the problem is usually related to the projection system rather than the media itself. If you peruse a few A/V forum sites, you'll get a lot more info on this.
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Old December 12 2013, 05:52 AM   #685
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Well, it's not like I want to start watching every movie in 3D. Aside from the cost consideration, I have heard that a lot of movies have bad, tacked-on 3D. But there are cases where it's integral and serves a purpose, such as Gravity. Still, I did find it a bit gimmicky there, generally more a novelty than anything else, and sometimes a bit of a distraction.
There's two separate problems to keep in mind with 3D movies that lead to the 3D being decried as tacked-on. Yes, some have gimmicky shots, like you said. But the bigger problem with many 3D movies is that for those which are not shot in 3D, the post-conversion tends to end up with more of a "diorama" effect than genuine depth like with movies shot with 3D cameras. (Day of the Doctor falls into the latter category.)

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...I'm worried that with some of the darker scenes, such as everything on Gallifrey 3-D glasses would have created what I call the "sunglasses effect."
Since I'm a 3D novice, could you clarify your meaning? Are you just saying that it would make the shot look too dim?
Yes, I believe he is. Most movie theaters run their projectors on the dim side anyways; the polarizing glasses generally used in theaters for 3D make the brightness even worse.
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Old December 12 2013, 10:04 AM   #686
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Well, it's not like I want to start watching every movie in 3D. Aside from the cost consideration, I have heard that a lot of movies have bad, tacked-on 3D. But there are cases where it's integral and serves a purpose, such as Gravity. Still, I did find it a bit gimmicky there, generally more a novelty than anything else, and sometimes a bit of a distraction.
There's two separate problems to keep in mind with 3D movies that lead to the 3D being decried as tacked-on. Yes, some have gimmicky shots, like you said. But the bigger problem with many 3D movies is that for those which are not shot in 3D, the post-conversion tends to end up with more of a "diorama" effect than genuine depth like with movies shot with 3D cameras. (Day of the Doctor falls into the latter category.)

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...I'm worried that with some of the darker scenes, such as everything on Gallifrey 3-D glasses would have created what I call the "sunglasses effect."
Since I'm a 3D novice, could you clarify your meaning? Are you just saying that it would make the shot look too dim?
Yes, I believe he is. Most movie theaters run their projectors on the dim side anyways; the polarizing glasses generally used in theaters for 3D make the brightness even worse.

There can be anywhere from 15-30% light loss with 3D, with the final Harry Potter film there were scenes where it was difficult to see who it was on screen at any given time. You can also end up with ghost images, which are distracting. Also because of the way the 3D works things can begin to look smaller when closer to the screen so you end up with something that is supposed to be huge suddenly looking small because of the way you perceive the 3D effect.
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Old December 12 2013, 11:23 AM   #687
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I just caught another cool DW special on On Demand. I think it's called The Science of Doctor Who or something similar. It's a lecture by Brian Cox about Space-Time and such. Nothing I didn't already know, but it's always fun to watch, and I love Brian Cox. But the really interesting thing about it is that there is a framing sequence throughout with Brian Cox meeting the Doctor (as played by Matt Smith); it's pretty funny.
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The theater intros are not on the DVD / Blu-ray.
Well, that's disappointing. It would be a bummer if those of us who missed the theater showing never got to see them.
Well, considering the intros were about theater etiquette (mostly Strax yelling at us to turn off our cell phones), it wouldn't really make sense to see them anywhere other than in a theater.
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Well, considering the intros were about theater etiquette (mostly Strax yelling at us to turn off our cell phones), it wouldn't really make sense to see them anywhere other than in a theater.
It would make sense because they were fun things that were worth preserving for posterity. Plenty of things that were meant "only for theaters" have been preserved on home video, like those Warner Bros. theatrical cartoons with gags about the characters interacting with silhouettes of people in the theater seats, or those '50s B-movies with interactive gimmicks introduced by the director, such as The Tingler.
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Since I'm a 3D novice, could you clarify your meaning? Are you just saying that it would make the shot look too dim?
Basically. 3-D Glasses give the picture a darker tint which a lot of the time just makes me feel like I'm wearing sunglasses. Not every movie is like this, I didn't notice this problem with Avatar or Prometheus for example, but far too many are.
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