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Old December 11 2013, 08:34 PM   #16
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Move somewhere less crowded if wood fires ETA: whenever you feel like it are that important to you.
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Old December 11 2013, 08:41 PM   #17
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Well, that would just make too much sense.
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Old December 11 2013, 08:48 PM   #18
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The real question is...how do they even plan to enforce this? The cops don't want anything to do with it, so I don't see how some air protection district is going to have any authority to start fining people.
Where I live wood burning restrictions have been the rule for years. The Department of Environmental Quality has enforcement people who look for smoking chimneys and give warnings or citations. A home is exempt if wood fire is the sole heat source, but that is rare.

Nevertheless, the air can be downright dangerous to some people in winter inversions, and rates of chronic respiratory conditions are significantly higher than national averages. Rates of people freezing to death remain very low.
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Old December 11 2013, 09:02 PM   #19
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I don't live there, but in parts of Colorado I think all new construction is limited to installing gas fireplaces. Wood burning is not allowed. Think it's in the ski areas.
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Old December 11 2013, 09:05 PM   #20
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I'm always grateful for limitations on burning because it definitely aggravates my respiratory system, even if I'm just in my car driving by.
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Old December 11 2013, 09:07 PM   #21
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Once again, you people seem to think I'm making a huge deal out of something when all I'm doing is bringing it up for discussion. I myself don't even have a fireplace in my apartment. I just general question things being banned that people typically can do in their own homes. Just because I bring something up does not equal me complaining. It's called starting a discussion.
Let's look at your original post, shall we?

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Well, in the San Francisco Bay Area it is, anyway...

For the fourth time this week, a Spare the Air alert has been issued for Saturday by the Bay Area Air Quality Management District.
According to the district, a high pressure weather system along with colder temperatures have lingered in the Bay Area all week, causing pollution to become trapped and rise to unhealthy levels. When an alert has been issued, it is illegal residents to burn wood, manufactured fire logs or any other solid fuels indoors or outside.
Full Story

So...during one of the coldest winters we've experienced in years, this BAAQMD wants to make a cheap and easy way to stay warm illegal. Apparently, if your home is without a permanent heating system you're exempt (apparently the wood being burned in those homes doesn't affect the air) but otherwise, if you're caught burning wood, you're subject to a fine...although, at least in my city, the police department has refused to assist in enforcing this ban. Something about having real criminals to worry about.

I get that we all want to have clean, breathable air...but burning wood? Something people have been doing since we discovered what fire is? The smell of someone having a fire in their fireplace has always been a pleasant smell for me, sort of one of those smells that lets you know it's time for the holidays.

I could see maybe suggesting people find another means of heating their homes if possible, but a ban? Seems like a pretty big overstep.

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(Emphasis mine.)

I mean, you basically said, "I get wanting to be able to breathe, but what about freedom?" Did you really expect no one to find that a bit absurd?
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Old December 11 2013, 09:17 PM   #22
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Fear not. I have it on good authority that wood burning will still be permitted in San Francisco in the distant future of ten years from now.


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Old December 11 2013, 09:18 PM   #23
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What is that, Doctor Who or something?
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Old December 11 2013, 09:26 PM   #24
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Fear not. I have it on good authority that wood burning will still be permitted in San Francisco in the distant future of ten years from now.


Wow. That is a seriously large, unauthorized conflagration. If you're not careful, the EPA will see it, and when they do, they're going to be pi-



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Old December 11 2013, 09:31 PM   #25
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Well, in the San Francisco Bay Area it is, anyway...

For the fourth time this week, a Spare the Air alert has been issued for Saturday by the Bay Area Air Quality Management District.
According to the district, a high pressure weather system along with colder temperatures have lingered in the Bay Area all week, causing pollution to become trapped and rise to unhealthy levels. When an alert has been issued, it is illegal residents to burn wood, manufactured fire logs or any other solid fuels indoors or outside.
Full Story

So...during one of the coldest winters we've experienced in years, this BAAQMD wants to make a cheap and easy way to stay warm illegal.
It may be cheap for the person burning the wood but it has external costs to others. Namely the frigging disgusting pollution that no doubt causes all sorts of health problems.

So, look at it another way. Why should someone be allowed to use a method of heating that produces excessive pollution and health problems for others?

Is the wood burner going to compensate the health problems of others? No. And, that's why it superficially appears to cheap but in reality it's not cheap.

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Old December 11 2013, 09:37 PM   #26
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Once again, you people seem to think I'm making a huge deal out of something when all I'm doing is bringing it up for discussion. I myself don't even have a fireplace in my apartment. I just general question things being banned that people typically can do in their own homes. Just because I bring something up does not equal me complaining. It's called starting a discussion.
Let's look at your original post, shall we?

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Well, in the San Francisco Bay Area it is, anyway...

For the fourth time this week, a Spare the Air alert has been issued for Saturday by the Bay Area Air Quality Management District.
According to the district, a high pressure weather system along with colder temperatures have lingered in the Bay Area all week, causing pollution to become trapped and rise to unhealthy levels. When an alert has been issued, it is illegal residents to burn wood, manufactured fire logs or any other solid fuels indoors or outside.
Full Story

So...during one of the coldest winters we've experienced in years, this BAAQMD wants to make a cheap and easy way to stay warm illegal. Apparently, if your home is without a permanent heating system you're exempt (apparently the wood being burned in those homes doesn't affect the air) but otherwise, if you're caught burning wood, you're subject to a fine...although, at least in my city, the police department has refused to assist in enforcing this ban. Something about having real criminals to worry about.

I get that we all want to have clean, breathable air...but burning wood? Something people have been doing since we discovered what fire is? The smell of someone having a fire in their fireplace has always been a pleasant smell for me, sort of one of those smells that lets you know it's time for the holidays.

I could see maybe suggesting people find another means of heating their homes if possible, but a ban? Seems like a pretty big overstep.

<img id="ums_img_tooltip" class="UMSRatingIcon">
(Emphasis mine.)

I mean, you basically said, "I get wanting to be able to breathe, but what about freedom?" Did you really expect no one to find that a bit absurd?

(See what I did there?)
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Old December 11 2013, 09:41 PM   #27
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Lot of image linking fail in this thread.
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Old December 11 2013, 09:42 PM   #28
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Fixed it. (sorry.)
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Old December 11 2013, 09:47 PM   #29
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You live in one of the more Liberal states/cities in the country. This seems on par with that. Perhaps you'll be happier living somewhere else? Texas? South Carolina? Anywhere in the South?
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Old December 11 2013, 09:52 PM   #30
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What is that, Doctor Who or something?


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Lot of image linking fail in this thread.
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Fixed it. (sorry.)
I don't think it's you. There seems to be something going on board wide with images taking a longer than normal time to load or not loading at all for some people. There was a similar issue in the Thread Bomb topic and a couple other places.
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