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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old December 9 2013, 08:34 PM   #181
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Re: TMP on Blu-Ray

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"Unused shot"?!?
"The unused shot" meaning the terminal exterior we've been talking about. Keep up.

One other thing that occurs to me. I know the party line is that they flopped the shot of the bridge to confuse the landscape, but I think it's more likely that the real reason was a practical one: you can get a camera up on the hill to the west of the Marin side of the bridge, but not to the east. Since they wanted to show the city occupying basically Russian Hill, the angle from which they could shoot the plate wouldn't work, hence the flop.
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Old December 9 2013, 11:00 PM   #182
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"The unused shot" meaning the terminal exterior we've been talking about. Keep up.
Sorry about the confusion. I had been under the impression that this was another unused shot from the original TMP.

I guess that's what I'm getting for having not paid enough attention to the DE.

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Old December 9 2013, 11:50 PM   #183
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The awful DE terminal shot was, sadly, used. Ugh.
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Old December 10 2013, 10:04 PM   #184
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P.S. People keep talking about how it's too bad that the DE effects weren't rendered out at motion picture resolution. Well, apparently some frames were and this one sure doesn't hold up at high res (click on it to zoom to full res). The windows and the human/vulcan/deltan figures in particular are totally awful.
To be fair, if done now for 1080p or higher, it would be shaded much better, and the CG figures would have proper textures of the actors faces mapped to them, etc.

Their final project target was DVD resolution, and they knew it, so they took the shortcuts needed to make it good enough for the resolution.

In 480p (DVD) you really can't tell it's that bad.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...icture1357.jpg
You know, with some added grain and a few tweaks, that shot really doesn't look that bad at all.

http://www.badatom.com/trek/VG11_Print_tweaked.jpg

Still keeping my fingers crossed for an eventual HD Director's Edition...
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Old December 10 2013, 10:24 PM   #185
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^^^The human figures still look like plastic mannequins.
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Old December 10 2013, 10:47 PM   #186
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Special effects still look like special effects!!
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Old December 10 2013, 10:54 PM   #187
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P.S. People keep talking about how it's too bad that the DE effects weren't rendered out at motion picture resolution. Well, apparently some frames were and this one sure doesn't hold up at high res (click on it to zoom to full res). The windows and the human/vulcan/deltan figures in particular are totally awful.
To be fair, if done now for 1080p or higher, it would be shaded much better, and the CG figures would have proper textures of the actors faces mapped to them, etc.

Their final project target was DVD resolution, and they knew it, so they took the shortcuts needed to make it good enough for the resolution.

In 480p (DVD) you really can't tell it's that bad.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...icture1357.jpg
You know, with some added grain and a few tweaks, that shot really doesn't look that bad at all.

http://www.badatom.com/trek/VG11_Print_tweaked.jpg

Still keeping my fingers crossed for an eventual HD Director's Edition...
It looks okay. But how is it going to look on my 40" LCD?
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Old December 10 2013, 10:57 PM   #188
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^^^The human figures still look like plastic mannequins.
I'm sure a properly updated DE would fix that problem. Of course, then we'd have a fourth version of TMP on our hands: Theatrical Cut, ABC-TV Version, Director's Edition, and Slightly Upgraded CG HD Director's Edition.
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Old December 10 2013, 11:28 PM   #189
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^^^The human figures still look like plastic mannequins.
I'm sure a properly updated DE would fix that problem.
Right. As I said, they would re-texture those figures to look more realistic. Proper skin and facial bitmaps I think would pretty much fix it.

You have to understand how much has changed since the DE was done. For 480p you could do a lot more cheats in detail/resolution/complexity. It was all about rendering speed to make a deadline (though that part is always true), but think about the computing power available circa 2001 compared to 2013. For example, dual-core Intel CPUs didn't exist until 2005. So to get more than one core required two physical CPUs in separate sockets, etc. etc.

Quite a few more tradeoffs had to be made then would be have to be made now. And of course 1080p is far less forgiving than 480p in the first place.

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Old December 11 2013, 12:43 AM   #190
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...1080p is far less forgiving then 480p in the first place.
As opposed to now? Methinks you mean than.
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Old December 11 2013, 03:59 AM   #191
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...1080p is far less forgiving then 480p in the first place.
As opposed to now? Methinks you mean than.
Quite right . Fixed. That's what I get for having a sentence that uses "then" next to one that uses "than".
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Old December 11 2013, 02:14 PM   #192
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The director's cut is certainly the superior edit of the film, but again, unless they redo it in 2k or 4k it won't be "future proofed". I think Paramount already went to bat for this, releaing the DE in the first place, same with STNG and Enterprise, so it'll eventually get around to this too.

Too the poster who says paramount doesn't care about it's bluray releases, what utter nonesense. ST still makes money in all it's incarnations, new releases of the old movies on bluray continue to appear on shelves in stores. A remaster of STII and STII is on bluray. It poured money into the STNG blurays to re-edit them fromscratch. Star Trek 09 went back onto the top 20 blurays sales chart after STID was released in the theaters, then on video. I also saw STNG on the top 15 sales chart chart several times. There's a DE for STII on bluray. If there is a market like this, then they have reason to work on them.
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Old December 11 2013, 06:09 PM   #193
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There's a DE for STII on bluray.
Where?
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Old December 11 2013, 07:26 PM   #194
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I don't htink there is. If the TMP DE and/or TWOK DE made it to Blu-Ray it would likely be promoted and widely known.
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There's a DE for STII on bluray.
Where?
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I don't htink there is. If the TMP DE and/or TWOK DE made it to Blu-Ray it would likely be promoted and widely known.
There is no Blu-ray release of any Star Trek movie other than the theatrical versions.
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