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Old November 30 2013, 11:07 PM   #31
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Re: DS9 on blu ray?

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^ All of ENT's effects were done in full HD from the get-go. Not 480-anything.
Actually that's incorrect.

Enterprise's FX were rendered at a variety of resolutions, from 480 to 720 to 1080.
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Old November 30 2013, 11:22 PM   #32
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Thanks FrontierTrek for not using your proximity to the Trek Remastered projects to play the "shill game" as some others have by exhorting fandom to buy every current HD release to "support" the release of DS9 in HD. You and TrekCore are a credit to the franchise, which you promote through unique and compelling features rather than mindless hype. On a semi-related note, I for one am looking forward to the BOBW screencaps and EAS' incorporating them into its Wolf 359 ship analyses.
I appreciate the comments, Joe. The "shill game" may work short term, but I tend to think that if I just say everything's "wonderful" when it clearly isn't, then any journalistic integrity quickly evaporates. Hence the reason you won't see us copy/pasting press releases on Star Trek dog accessories, shower curtains or wine glasses!!

The whole concept with TrekCore is to *avoid* the mindless hype. I got so sick of reading copy/paste press releases on the big fan sites - I'd much rather go the extra mile to cover something properly, and produce an article which I - as a fan - would enjoy reading.

Yes! BOBW screencaps will be coming soon, along with the companion article from our partners at EAS.

Everyone should keep in mind that DS9 -- and VOY, and every Trek series regardless of popularity -- comprise an extremely valuable property for CBS and they must make it available in HD in order to continue to monetize it in the future. How that is done (rather than if it will be done) is the real question, but with the bar set quite high with the TNG-R project I personally doubt we'll get an SD upscale (ala X-Files, Farscape, et al) but it is certainly possible, at least in terms of the CGI VFX in later seasons. (...)
Yep. Star Trek is CBS's tentpole property. Of course they want it in HD, they'd be crazy not to. It will get there - the question is just when and how.


CBS-D certainly has people with the passion to do DS9 in HD right; they just need the go ahead (and the $$$) from CBS corporate to do that.
Absolutely. The team there is incredible, and beyond that - a genuinely nice group of people to be around. They care about the fans, they want to do the best they can, and they don't stop until they get as close to "perfect" as they're allowed to with the constraints of time and money.
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Old November 30 2013, 11:29 PM   #33
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The whole concept with TrekCore is to *avoid* the mindless hype. I got so sick of reading copy/paste press releases on the big fan sites - I'd much rather go the extra mile to cover something properly, and produce an article which I - as a fan - would enjoy reading.
I'm really greatful for all you insightful comments to our questions Frontier! These days it seems like you are the only one who manages to draw out any real new information about the ongoing development of the franchise. All your work and effort is a real gift for all the rest of us!
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Old November 30 2013, 11:43 PM   #34
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Absolutely. The team there is incredible, and beyond that - a genuinely nice group of people to be around. They care about the fans, they want to do the best they can, and they don't stop until they get as close to "perfect" as they're allowed to with the constraints of time and money.
I really hope then they will make DS9 and Voyager happen before this team and all their Star Trek remastering specific expertise splits up and everyone moves on to other projects. We saw how things go wrong when the work is left to other people with TNG season 2 and to some extent 4 as well.
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Old December 1 2013, 12:01 AM   #35
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TNG seemed to be rolled into the big 25th Anniversary hoopla. DS9 has a 25th coming up in 2018; so they could have that in the back of their head.
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Old December 1 2013, 06:38 PM   #36
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The "shill game" may work short term, but I tend to think that if I just say everything's "wonderful" when it clearly isn't, then any journalistic integrity quickly evaporates.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is the kind thing I'm referring to specifically:

Michael Okuda: Buy TNG Blu-ray sets to get DS9 on Blu-ray!


Michael Okuda: Visual FX in TNG yr 2 by HTV are excellent, very faithful to original, with a hint of extra polish thx to topnotch team. Watch Blus and see.

Not to single out MO, but that second statement in particular coming as blatant damage control when the dodgy TNG S2 preview screencaps began to come in cost him a lot of credibility in by eyes. The Okudas certainly add a lot to the VAM of these releases (I particularly enjoy their text commentaries), but their role as paid spokespeople leaves a bad taste. Again, pointing out the quality VAM is one thing, but blindly covering up for slipshod remastering work is quite another. I can't believe the Okudas ever sat in a screening room with those S2 transfers -- either that or they figured Trek fans will buy anything regardless of quality.
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Old December 10 2013, 02:22 AM   #37
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Re: DS9 on blu ray?

I'm not sure if what this guy says is true about the file he acquired (or if he just created it himself) but this scene looks awesome in HD. I'd get the BD if this is the quality we are looking at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-a0I-XA7Q
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Old December 10 2013, 08:51 PM   #38
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I'm not sure if what this guy says is true about the file he acquired (or if he just created it himself) but this scene looks awesome in HD. I'd get the BD if this is the quality we are looking at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-a0I-XA7Q
This video has come up before, but where do you see any claims that he acquired the file from an official source?
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Old December 11 2013, 03:00 AM   #39
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I'm not sure if what this guy says is true about the file he acquired (or if he just created it himself) but this scene looks awesome in HD. I'd get the BD if this is the quality we are looking at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-a0I-XA7Q
This video has come up before, but where do you see any claims that he acquired the file from an official source?
I saw it in one of the comments. That's where I got it from so that's why I wasn't sure.
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Old December 11 2013, 03:36 AM   #40
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I'm not sure if what this guy says is true about the file he acquired (or if he just created it himself) but this scene looks awesome in HD. I'd get the BD if this is the quality we are looking at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-a0I-XA7Q
This video has come up before, but where do you see any claims that he acquired the file from an official source?
I saw it in one of the comments. That's where I got it from so that's why I wasn't sure.
I see this random comment that must be what you saw. I'm pretty sure it's an incomplete thought...

One of the DS9 cgi artists re-rendered a clip from the dominion war in HD and it's incredible
That's either saying he thought it looked official or the commenter is kind of incoherently rambling and is referring to the sample 1080p renders that TrekCore posted from Rob Bonchune. That comment was posted 10-days after TrekCore's article went up.


EDIT: In fact that very video is in the comments to TrekCore's article.
http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/05/dee...e-step-closer/

According to further comments it says the person does indeed have access to the original files.

That's because these are the original DS9 CG scenes that IRML has, but IRML spices up everything he works on...
His second re-render is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJs0-hhOZFQ

Still would like to see that claim substantiated somehow... It seems like maybe he's in contact with Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz.

Dave Clark is IRML's real world name, not a name I see in relation to Foundation Imaging.

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Old December 11 2013, 06:07 AM   #41
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I would buy up DS9 Blu-Rays like it was crack cocaine.
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Old December 22 2013, 04:50 PM   #42
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So you wouldn't buy BR DS9 at all then?

Because crack cocaine actually exists.......
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Old December 24 2013, 12:36 AM   #43
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Complicating things is that by the time the DS9-R project likely materializes, the reality is that the relevance of packaged media will be significantly diminished (by exactly how much is anyone's guess); Blu-ray will certainly not disappear in that time, but its sales volume will continue to be eroded by streaming services as that technology improves. Even now Netflix is actively de-emphasizing its disc-by-mail service in favor of its streaming offerings; expect much the same thing from Amazon in the years (or even months) to come.

CBS-D certainly has people with the passion to do DS9 in HD right; they just need the go ahead (and the $$$) from CBS corporate to do that.
Does the entertainment industry think that everybody's made of money or what? Do they know how much it costs to use the Internet in most countries, even (Canada has the most expensive Internet ever)? Not everybody wants or will have the money to go online and watch movies/TV in streaming video; many will still want to own DVD's because there's no compression of the video and audio and things look amazing.

Stephen Bowie has talked about this (and made a better case against this trend) better than I could: Streamageddon vs. Discpocalypse
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Old December 25 2013, 05:56 AM   #44
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Re: DS9 on blu ray?

I don't stream, but I do buy most of my stuff from the iTunes Store. That doesn't (IMHO) count as streaming because it's all stored on my computer.
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Old December 25 2013, 06:59 AM   #45
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I don't stream, but I do buy most of my stuff from the iTunes Store. That doesn't (IMHO) count as streaming because it's all stored on my computer.
Point taken. However, not everybody wants to buy movies or TV shows from iTunes or Cinema Now; some just want to keep what they have on physical media, due to what I said before about the costs of having the Internet and downloading. This is why (IMHO) there's a group of fans who want to have Babylon 5 on regular TV in syndication or on specialty cable channels rather than on streaming media like Netflix.
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