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Old December 11 2013, 01:28 AM   #1
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Picard made First Contact with 27 civilisations?

Hi,

I was curious about a line from 'Nemesis' where Picard states that he has made first contact with 27 civilisations.

Has anyone ever put together a list of these 27 civlisations known from the TV series and movies?


A few obvious ones to start with:
  • Borg
  • Ferengi
  • Q
  • Cytherians
  • Travellers
I would be interested to hear people's thoughts.
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Old December 11 2013, 01:39 AM   #2
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Old December 11 2013, 02:21 AM   #3
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The Mintakans.
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Old December 11 2013, 03:09 AM   #4
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Do the Ba'ku count? Technically, he was the first official representative to deal with them.
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Old December 11 2013, 03:44 AM   #5
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Archer made first contact with the Borg and Ferengi.
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Old December 11 2013, 04:37 AM   #6
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Re: Picard made First Contact with 27 civilisations?

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Nope, I don't think they count.

"First contact" had previously taken place; Enterprise's mission was to attempt to establish communications.

"Several" previous attempts had failed, so first contact had already occurred.

The Memory Alpha article only notes three examples, Q, Ferengi and Borg, fyi.
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Old December 11 2013, 04:39 AM   #7
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garak1 wrote: View Post
Hi,

I was curious about a line from 'Nemesis' where Picard states that he has made first contact with 27 civilisations.

Has anyone ever put together a list of these 27 civlisations known from the TV series and movies?


A few obvious ones to start with:
  • Borg
  • Ferengi
  • Q
  • Cytherians
  • Travellers
I would be interested to hear people's thoughts.
Some could have been while he was Captain of the Stargazer.
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Old December 11 2013, 05:00 AM   #8
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Yes, I imagine that number would include his 20+ years commanding the Stargazer. At least I hope it does. Twenty-seven first contacts in less than a decade seems rather improbable to me.
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Old December 11 2013, 06:53 AM   #9
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Unless you happen to be Jonathan Archer, James Kirk, or Kathryn Janeway.
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Old December 11 2013, 07:29 AM   #10
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^ I guess it depends whether you define "first contact" as the first time you encounter a new alien race, or when you make *official* first contact and say "hi, we're the Federation", like Picard did with the Malcorians. The latter would tend to be much more rare.
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Old December 11 2013, 07:31 AM   #11
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Archer made first contact with the Borg and Ferengi.
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Old December 11 2013, 08:05 AM   #12
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Unless you happen to be Jonathan Archer, James Kirk, or Kathryn Janeway.
Did that many new species really make their first appearances on ENT? Good grief.

Janeway gets a pass because she was doing a tour of a whole quadrant. And Kirk gets a pass because his show came on first.
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^ I guess it depends whether you define "first contact" as the first time you encounter a new alien race, or when you make *official* first contact and say "hi, we're the Federation", like Picard did with the Malcorians. The latter would tend to be much more rare.
I don't think there's too much of a difference, except the latter usually involves more documentation for the record books.

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Unless you happen to be Jonathan Archer, James Kirk, or Kathryn Janeway.
Did that many new species really make their first appearances on ENT? Good grief.

Janeway gets a pass because she was doing a tour of a whole quadrant. And Kirk gets a pass because his show came on first.
Nah, Janeway and Kirk both still count as racking up more than twenty first contacts within a decade (most of the ones Kirk encountered were brand-new to the Federation too, not just because TOS came first).
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Old December 11 2013, 02:44 PM   #14
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Hanukkah Solo wrote: View Post
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Unless you happen to be Jonathan Archer, James Kirk, or Kathryn Janeway.
Did that many new species really make their first appearances on ENT? Good grief.

Janeway gets a pass because she was doing a tour of a whole quadrant. And Kirk gets a pass because his show came on first.
It doesnt matter if they were new to the show or not, to Earth they were the first to meet the Andorians, first to visit the Klingon Homeworld etc etc...

It would be interesting to work out how many of those happened during TNG's run on screen, others happening off screen during TNG, the movies or before hand.

Would be terrible if there were easily more than that number during the episodes of the show alone.
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Nope, I don't think they count.

"First contact" had previously taken place; Enterprise's mission was to attempt to establish communications.

"Several" previous attempts had failed, so first contact had already occurred.

The Memory Alpha article only notes three examples, Q, Ferengi and Borg, fyi.
But does it count as first contact if no meaningful communication takes place? If all that's required is for both species to be aware of each other's existence, doesn't that set the bar really low?

As I recall, the Federation and the Ferengi were very aware of each other, but it took Picard to officially make first contact.
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