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Old December 10 2013, 08:55 PM   #886
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Re: Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

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But it really isn't though.
No? I don't remember ST09 getting denounced at any conventions.
It got denounced at one convention, by one-hundred people done by someone who Abrams pissed off. Why do people keep ignoring the much larger sample sizes from places like this?

Seems some folks simply have an agenda...

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Yes. The Wrath of Khan, and to a lesser extent The Voyage Home.
I don't see many non-Trek fans, actually none, that discuss any Trek movies.
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Old December 10 2013, 08:57 PM   #887
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It got denounced at one convention, by one-hundred people done by someone who Abrams pissed off.
Really? Where? I don't remember that.
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Old December 10 2013, 09:00 PM   #888
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It got denounced at one convention, by one-hundred people done by someone who Abrams pissed off.
Really? Where? I don't remember that.
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Old December 10 2013, 09:04 PM   #889
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Yes, that I remember. That happened after STiD's release. I was asking if ST09 had gotten reactions like that; I don't remember anything comparable to that happening after the release of the first Abrams film.
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Old December 10 2013, 09:05 PM   #890
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Yes, that I remember. That happened after STiD's release. I was asking if ST09 had gotten reactions like that; I don't remember anything comparable to that happening after the release of the first Abrams film.
I'm sure it would have if Abrams had withheld a pre-screening from Devin Faraci.

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Old December 10 2013, 09:10 PM   #891
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I'm sure it would have if Abrams had withheld a pre-screening from Devin Faraci.
I suspect you overrate Faraci's influence on the debate just a tad...
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Old December 10 2013, 09:12 PM   #892
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I'm sure it would have if Abrams had withheld a pre-screening from Devin Faraci.
I suspect you overrate Faraci's influence on the debate just a tad...
There are some people who suspect the whole Vegas thing was made up by Faraci to get back at Abrams.

But is it being overrated? Websites picked it up and ran with it, claiming that people were disappointed with the film because of that Vegas poll.
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Old December 10 2013, 09:15 PM   #893
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There are some people who suspect the whole Vegas thing was made up by Faraci to get back at Abrams.
Yeah, that sounds like conspiracy theory to me.

(Unless Faraci is paying off ringers around the world to create a false impression of dissent... in which case, where the heck is my piece? I'd better send him an invoice. )
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Old December 10 2013, 09:18 PM   #894
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There are some people who suspect the whole Vegas thing was made up by Faraci to get back at Abrams.
Yeah, that sounds like conspiracy theory to me.
Call it what you will. But no one has ever provided any evidence that the poll ever happened, except Faraci. As far as I know.
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Old December 10 2013, 09:20 PM   #895
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You mean apart from the guy who hosted the panel?
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Old December 10 2013, 09:25 PM   #896
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First time I've ever seen that article. But it still makes one group that rates the film that low while sites where there are many more voters have rated the film quite highly. So it still begs the question: why do some hold such a small sample size so highly while ignoring far larger sample sizes?
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Old December 10 2013, 09:27 PM   #897
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why do some hold such a small sample size so highly while ignoring far larger sample sizes?
I don't think some "hold it highly" at all. It's just one of many indicators that there's more fan dissatisfaction with STiD than with its predecessor. As I said earlier. Nobody is saying this is a majority view in fandom as a whole, at least not at this point.
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yes, including the alleged--note alleged--"rip off" of TWOK scene--it actually wasn't anything of the kind
What the hell is this supposed to even mean? Yes, it was a ripoff of TWOK. Stomping your feet and going "Is not!" doesn't change the objective reality.
Okay, and now: who gets to decide what is (or is not) the "objective reality"?
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Old December 10 2013, 09:34 PM   #899
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It's just one of many indicators that there's more fan dissatisfaction with STiD than with its predecessor.
What other indicators are there? People complaining on the internet?

I'm really curious what the indicators are?
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Some Trek fans are always unhappy with whatever the new version is.
One would have to agree it's far more noticeable with STiD than ST09, though.
No. The venom for ST09 lasted three and three quarter YEARS! I could check in here daily and be confronted with at LEAST twenty, maybe thirty threads containing new bashing/defensive postings. Many threads with pages and paaaages of new posts. It was hella insane compared with today.
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