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View Poll Results: Do fans want the prime timeline back?
I'm a fan and I want the Prime timeline back. 209 56.79%
I'm a fan and I don't want the Prime timeline back. 61 16.58%
I'm a fan and wouldn't mind if it came back. 39 10.60%
I don't care, just give me Trek! 53 14.40%
I don't know. 6 1.63%
Voters: 368. You may not vote on this poll

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Old December 9 2013, 06:31 PM   #841
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Even the MPAA disagrees with you. While movie ratings have become more lax, each of Abrams movies is a PG-13 rating. With the exception of Nemesis, no movie was over a PG rating.
(1) MPAA ratings from different decades aren't comparable.

(2) MPAA ratings from the same era are, often, not comparable.

(3) Star Trek: First Contact was also rated PG-13.

(4) The PG-13 rating didn't exist until July of 1984, so the first three TOS films couldn't have been given it (and obviously weren't going to be rated R).
Thanks for the info, Harvey. I had thought the PG-13 rating came out sometime in the mid-80's, I just couldn't remember when.

I'm not surprised Star Trek: First Contact was PG-13. It was pretty violent and graphic, much like TWOK.

I just wonder why some people keep remembering Trek as nothing but sunshine and rainbows?
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Old December 9 2013, 06:40 PM   #842
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I just wonder why some people keep remembering Trek as nothing but sunshine and rainbows?
Selective memory?

(Which, to be fair, I suffer from often enough, too.)
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Old December 9 2013, 06:40 PM   #843
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We've seen countless destroyed ships, we've seen horrific scenes like a man's head being crushed and a Captain hit by a phaser, watching him die. These movies have been incredibly violent, and I wouldn't introduce anyone to the universe seeing all this death and destruction.
We've seen Epsilon IX, three Klingon cruisers and Lt. Ilia "digitized" in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. We watched Captain Terrell disintegrate himself, the Ceti Eel makes a bloody exit from Chekov's head, we see the charred body of Peter Preston and the destruction of the Reliant in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. A freighter crew bites the dust in the opening minutes of Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. The Grissom is destroyed, we watch David Marcus get stabbed, a Klingon boarding party gets killed during the destruction of the Enterprise and Kirk kicks Kruge in the face several times before he falls to an obviously gruesome death.

Selective memory?

I find Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan far more "graphically violent" than Star Trek Into Darkness.

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The final frontier has never been a safe place, even in TNG. What did Q say again?

"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."

Probably my favorite line in all of TNG--and Q is absolutely right. Exploring the final frontier was never supposed to be warm and cozy--and that means death and disaster sometimes.

"Risk is our business" and all that.
This.







I find all these scenes more disturbing than a slug coming out of the ear of Chekov.
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Old December 9 2013, 06:43 PM   #844
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Aren't there single episodes of Star Trek (I'm thinking of 'The Doomsday Machine' and 'Operation: Annihilate!' specifically) that feature more death and destruction than both the Abrams movies combined?
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Old December 9 2013, 06:47 PM   #845
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I find all these scenes more disturbing than a slug coming out of the ear of Chekov.
Way to miss everything else I posted on the matter.

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Aren't there single episodes of Star Trek (I'm thinking of 'The Doomsday Machine' and 'Operation: Annihilate!' specifically) that feature more death and destruction than both the Abrams movies combined?
Yeah. Also, don't forget the Space Amoeba from "The Immunity Syndrome" which eats system Gamma 7A and the Cloud from "Obsession" which likely caused all kinds of death and destruction and ate a few red shirts.

The TOS death toll had to have been in the tens of billions.
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Old December 9 2013, 06:47 PM   #846
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Khan was amazingly clean after he "took care" of Marcus. An ounce of realism there and he'd be covered in gore.

Nothing in any of those clips is as gratuitous, unnecessary and disgusting as the end of "Conspiracy" where Picard and Riker destroy Remmick's head.
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Old December 9 2013, 06:53 PM   #847
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Khan was amazingly clean after he "took care" of Marcus. An ounce of realism there and he'd be covered in gore.
Yep. And it doesn't match Terrell's tortured shriek as he disintegrates in TWOK.


Nothing in any of those clips is as gratuitous, unnecessary and disgusting as the end of "Conspiracy" where Picard and Riker destroy Remmick's head.
Which I'm actually fine with because it fit the story. Just like when we got a close-up of the Borg replacing organic limbs and eyes with cybernetic parts in Star Trek: First Contact.
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Old December 9 2013, 06:57 PM   #848
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Nothing in any of those clips is as gratuitous, unnecessary and disgusting as the end of "Conspiracy" where Picard and Riker destroy Remmick's head.

Gratuitous? Disgusting?? Those are hardly the terms I'd use. Hell, these days I'd hesitate to even use the word "graphic" to describe that scene.
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Old December 9 2013, 07:00 PM   #849
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It also occurs to me that the Prime Universe version of Jim Kirk was one of the sole survivors of a genocidal massacre on Tarsus IV.

Kinda makes nuKirk's upbringing seem positively Norman Rockwell by comparison!
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Nothing in any of those clips is as gratuitous, unnecessary and disgusting as the end of "Conspiracy" where Picard and Riker destroy Remmick's head.

Gratuitous? Disgusting?? Those are hardly the terms I'd use. Hell, these days I'd hesitate to even use the word "graphic" to describe that scene.
You mean this scene

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Old December 9 2013, 07:05 PM   #851
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I think they should have a series called "Star Trek: Relativity" set in the 29th century, and the mission is to travel around and collapse/remove all those stupid alternate time-lines running around.

In the series finale, they destroy the ability to time travel within the Star Trek universe (in such a way that resolves the paradox -- leave that up to writers), and fade out of existence.

The whole concept of timelines have weakened the Star Trek property. In my very humble opinion.
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Old December 9 2013, 07:15 PM   #852
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The whole concept of timelines have weakened the Star Trek property. In my very humble opinion.
Time travel has given us many of the best stories across all the Trek series. I'd say keep it.
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Old December 9 2013, 07:21 PM   #853
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I was 4 years old when I started watching the original series.
Five here.
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Five here as well,and I started watching it in the early 70's (I was born in 1969. )
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Old December 9 2013, 07:22 PM   #854
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Okay, I have to ask: What's wrong with "disturbing." Since when was Star Trek not supposed to ever be disturbing.

The Salt Vampire was disturbing. Charlie X wiping the yeoman's face off was disturbing. Joan Collins getting hit by a truck is disturbing. Rukh the murderous android was scary and disturbing. Charon destroying itself in a genocidal race war was disturbing. Christopher Pike, scarred and paralyzed and trapped in that chair, was damn disturbing . . . .

I swear, sometimes I think that if "City on the Edge of Forever" aired today, some fans would object that it wasn't "optimistic" or "utopian" enough:

"Damnit. The real Jim Kirk would have found a way to save the timeline without sacrificing an innocent woman. Star Trek is about science and solving problems, not despair and no-win solutions. And did we really need to see some poor bum get gratuitously disintegrated? Or McCoy strung out on drugs and living in soup kitchen? Talk about a downer! Who the hell is this Harlan Ellison hack anyway?"
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Nothing in any of those clips is as gratuitous, unnecessary and disgusting as the end of "Conspiracy" where Picard and Riker destroy Remmick's head.

Gratuitous? Disgusting?? Those are hardly the terms I'd use. Hell, these days I'd hesitate to even use the word "graphic" to describe that scene.
By Trek's standards, it is. I'm fine with it, but I'm not sure I would have been age 6.
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