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Old December 9 2013, 01:51 AM   #16
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Re: A thought on regenerations (spoilers for "Night/Day of the Doctor"

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Or perhaps he'll be poisoned by one of Clara's soufflés.


Naw, it will be from eating too much custard and fish-fingers.


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Old December 9 2013, 02:13 AM   #17
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Re: A thought on regenerations (spoilers for "Night/Day of the Doctor"

Don't forget about "Turn Left". We saw Ten die from drowning and not regenerate.
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Old December 9 2013, 10:43 AM   #18
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Re: A thought on regenerations (spoilers for "Night/Day of the Doctor"

^^ I don't remember that. Did he not even try? I would think in a situation like that, he would regenerate repeatedly until he ran out.

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Wouldn't radiation/energy damage count as a fifth cause? It's a distinct physical process from chemical/biological poisoning.
I guess it depends on how broad we're defining the categories. I was thinking of trauma on a gross physical level and poison on a cellular level. Radiation would also work on a cellular level, although the process would certainly be different.

I think decapitation would be instantaneous enough to prevent regeneration. After all, regeneration is not resurrection. It's not guaranteed to happen no matter what. It's analogous to emergency surgery, say: it can save your life if there's time to get you stabilized, but if you're killed instantly, you're out of luck. That's why, in "The Impossible Astronaut," the Doctor (apparently) died when he was shot during the regeneration. The second shot killed him decisively and interrupted the process. And we know that in the '96 movie, the anaesthetic almost prevented regeneration from starting. In "The Night of the Doctor," the Doctor actually was killed instantly on impact and needed the Sisterhood's potion to revive him long enough to allow regeneration to occur. (In "The Stolen Earth," the shot from the Dalek was only a glancing blow. A dead-on hit would've killed him instantly, with no hope of regeneration.)
Has there ever been any indication that regeneration would restore lost limbs? What was that bit with Ten and his hand? I forget the details now-- did he regenerate a lost hand, and then the limb regenerated into a Human Doctor?

Severe head injury is another matter. I think his brain would regenerate fully, but he might lose a lot of his memories and knowledge.
It would seem likely that he would lose any experience, unless the Time Lords store their consciousness independently of the body somehow.
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Old December 9 2013, 01:18 PM   #19
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Re: A thought on regenerations (spoilers for "Night/Day of the Doctor"

Just for reference we can now count the Tenth Doctor being shot by a Dalek as a cause of "death" of sorts, just one that didn't require the Doctor to change his appearance: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/do...en-moffat.html
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Old December 9 2013, 01:28 PM   #20
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Re: A thought on regenerations (spoilers for "Night/Day of the Doctor"

And thus, the rumors have been true: Capaldi will be the First Doctor of a new Cycle.

On the one hand, it seems really convoluted - and it makes John Hurt's War Doctor all the more obvious in its stunt casting - but on the other hand, it kinda makes the Tenth Doctor's farewell tour in End of Time retroactively justified, since that is almost the last body he'll ever use, and his reward before finally dying is to see those companion that still live, of has left behind as living.
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Old December 9 2013, 02:00 PM   #21
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Re: A thought on regenerations (spoilers for "Night/Day of the Doctor"

Smith being the 13th Doctor is interesting insofar that Moffat clearly wanted to do something radical with the format, and he has, he’s cheated of course(but let’s be fair he’s had some help from RTD in that respect) but he has/will do something quite polarising. I’m not sure about it myself.

Obviously Eleven has made reference to regenerating, but I guess the following all have a get out.

Let’s Kill Hitler: He considers regeneration as an option. Now it may be that he’s so blotted the War Doctor out of his mind that he isn’t even counting him, and/or it may be that he hadn’t at this stage realised that it cost a regeneration to remain Ten. Interesting to note that the Tardis interface advises that ‘Regeneration is disabled.’

His ‘death’ at Lake Silencia: Whether it’s him regeneration or the Teselecta this can be explained. If it’s the Teselecta that it may be the Doctor programmed it to make it look like he was regeneration because he knew River would expect this, or because even if you can’t regenerate your body will still try (this works for it’s it is the Doctor originally).

The Name of the Doctor: How can eleven think of himself as the last Doctor when Capaldi comes swooping in in his Tardis at the end? I guess he could forget in the same way Hurt and Ten will forget him, but this doesn’t explain the curator and…

..ok my head officially hurts now!
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Old December 9 2013, 03:43 PM   #22
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Re: A thought on regenerations (spoilers for "Night/Day of the Doctor"

Well the general said all 13, so no really reference that it was the 'last' doctor.

Also I wonder in 'Lets Kill Hitler',when the Tardis said 'regeneration disabled', it was not because of the poisoning but because he could not regenerate anymore. But then there is the whole confusion on how much energy River gave the Doctor, then in the following season the Doctor using some energy to heal Rivers hand.

Continuity would be best served if Capaldi was the last and 13th Doctor, he regenerated 'old' because he used the last of his regeneration energy. Series 8 would deal with the Doctor now being 'mortal' and the search for Gallifrey. He finds Gallifrey and then gets a set of lives from the Timelords.
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Old December 9 2013, 04:01 PM   #23
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Hmm, it seems we now have a second source for Moffat confirming this -- and while Moffat has misled us before, it seems rather a more definitive statement than I'd expect a misdirection to be.

But if Tennant was 11th/12th and Smith is 13th, then when and how did the Valeyard come into being?
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Old December 9 2013, 04:03 PM   #24
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The logical answer is 10.5...maybe!
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Old December 9 2013, 04:24 PM   #25
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^^ I don't remember that. Did he not even try? I would think in a situation like that, he would regenerate repeatedly until he ran out.
Can he do it again so soon, especially now that he's older?


Seriously though, I always thought some time had to pass while the regeneration energy built back up or something. The first regeneration I ever saw was 9 to 10, and the process seemed to continue throughout the whole adventure. Isn't the reason he can re-grow a hand stated to be because he's not quite done with the cycle?
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Old December 9 2013, 04:36 PM   #26
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That's the suggestion, I think it's something to do with being within the first 15 hours after a regeneration. Of course it's an idea that solely used in the new series.

Aside from The Curse of Fatal Death I’m not sure it’s ever been explained whether you could regenerate and then almost immediately regenerate again…
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Old December 9 2013, 04:58 PM   #27
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That's the suggestion, I think it's something to do with being within the first 15 hours after a regeneration. Of course it's an idea that solely used in the new series.
Although the idea that it takes a while for the regeneration to stabilize works as a nice retroactive explanation for how Romana in "Destiny of the Daleks" was able to "try on" several different appearances before settling on Lalla Ward.
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Old December 9 2013, 05:01 PM   #28
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^That's true I guess, though it doesn't explain why the Doctor doesn't keep trying new bodies till he gets a ginger one
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Old December 9 2013, 05:16 PM   #29
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^That's true I guess, though it doesn't explain why the Doctor doesn't keep trying new bodies till he gets a ginger one
Except that Romana was better at a lot of things than the Doctor was. Some Time Lords may have enough self-control or training of the right kind to be able to guide their regenerations, whereas for the Doctor it's pure trial and error. Maybe that's because he fled Gallifrey before he'd ever regenerated, and so he never had occasion to learn. (Although it's generally assumed, given Romana's young age, that she'd never regenerated before either. So that wouldn't really explain it.)
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Old December 9 2013, 05:45 PM   #30
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The one thing I don't like about this is that we suddenly jump from Smith being the 11th Doctor to the 13th! It certainly seems very artificial. Moffat wanted to deal with this issue during his tenure and forced it to happen.

I don't mind the Doctor getting a new set of regenerations, or if he has to worry about each additional one as the series goes forward. I just don't want another character to assume the Doctor's identity as one rumor suggested. The show needs to be about the character that we've followed since the Unearthly Child.

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