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View Poll Results: Do fans want the prime timeline back?
I'm a fan and I want the Prime timeline back. 196 56.32%
I'm a fan and I don't want the Prime timeline back. 57 16.38%
I'm a fan and wouldn't mind if it came back. 38 10.92%
I don't care, just give me Trek! 51 14.66%
I don't know. 6 1.72%
Voters: 348. You may not vote on this poll

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Old December 8 2013, 06:10 PM   #811
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

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I miss Berman Trek. The 24th century was the best.
I'm more of a 23rd Century guy myself, but I suspect that's just a generational thing. I grew up on TOS, not the later shows, so it's still near and dear to my heart.
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Old December 8 2013, 07:29 PM   #812
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

I love all eras of ST, but being a child of the 80s, the 24th century is my favorite era.
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Old December 8 2013, 07:58 PM   #813
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

Greg Cox wrote: View Post
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I miss Berman Trek. The 24th century was the best.
I'm more of a 23rd Century guy myself, but I suspect that's just a generational thing. I grew up on TOS, not the later shows, so it's still near and dear to my heart.
Nah, I like the 23rd Century the most and I'm 25.
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Old December 8 2013, 08:31 PM   #814
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Kelthaz wrote: View Post
I miss Berman Trek. The 24th century was the best.
I'm more of a 23rd Century guy myself, but I suspect that's just a generational thing. I grew up on TOS, not the later shows, so it's still near and dear to my heart.
Nah, I like the 23rd Century the most and I'm 25.
I stand corrected!

(Cool avatar, btw.)
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Old December 8 2013, 09:14 PM   #815
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

I grew up with TNG and loved it to bits, but as I've aged I found myself liking it less and less - to the point where I quit halfway through re-watch (having previously rewatched and mostly enjoyed TOS, ENT and Voyager). Now TOS is definitely #1. I'm 29.
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Old December 8 2013, 09:22 PM   #816
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

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Just to reiterate, Prime Trek doesn't mean Berman Trek.
Since 75% of Prime Trek was made under Berman's watch, it does mean Berman Trek.
Regardless of how much of it was under Berman's watch, Prime Trek includes TOS and it's movies.
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Old December 8 2013, 09:27 PM   #817
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Just to reiterate, Prime Trek doesn't mean Berman Trek.
Since 75% of Prime Trek was made under Berman's watch, it does mean Berman Trek.
Regardless of how much of it was under Berman's watch, Prime Trek includes TOS and it's movies.
Agreed. But I wouldn't even go that far. The movies, to me, were rebooting Trek for a modern audience using TOS as the source material, the same as Abrams' films.

But Bill's right in that most of the people on this board who use the term "Prime Trek" actually mean Berman Trek.
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Old December 8 2013, 09:29 PM   #818
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That's exactly why "prime universe" isn't a good way to differentiate. It's just a bit of backstory. TOS was different in style to TNG. DS9, VOY and ENT are arguably much closer to TNG's storytelling style than TOS'. TMP and TWoK-TUC have very different styles too, but closer to TOS' than TNG's.
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Old December 8 2013, 09:51 PM   #819
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I usually refer to the Berman-era material as Modern Trek. But I think many people do use a Prime Universe as shorthand for the Berman stuff.
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Old December 8 2013, 09:55 PM   #820
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I usually refer to the Berman-era material as Modern Trek. But I think many people do use a Prime Universe as shorthand for the Berman stuff.
I assume that's what the thread starter meant with his poll, though I can't be sure. The implication, of course, is that Berman Trek (as "prime" Trek) is somehow more "real" than JJ Abrams Trek.
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Old December 8 2013, 10:01 PM   #821
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I usually refer to the Berman-era material as Modern Trek. But I think many people do use a Prime Universe as shorthand for the Berman stuff.
I assume that's what the thread starter meant with his poll, though I can't be sure. The implication, of course, is that Berman Trek (as "prime" Trek) is somehow more "real" than JJ Abrams Trek.
I think some want to count TOS, but don't want any new Trek to be anything like it, too validate the Berman series.
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Old December 8 2013, 10:13 PM   #822
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

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I usually refer to the Berman-era material as Modern Trek. But I think many people do use a Prime Universe as shorthand for the Berman stuff.
I assume that's what the thread starter meant with his poll, though I can't be sure. The implication, of course, is that Berman Trek (as "prime" Trek) is somehow more "real" than JJ Abrams Trek.
I did but the poll still applies that notion.

Berman Trek = Prime Trek

But

Prime Trek =/= Berman Trek

You could want the Prime Timeline back but not want Berman's style. If someone likes an apple, he likes fruit but a person who likes fruits doesn't necessarily have to like apples.
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Old December 9 2013, 01:10 AM   #823
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

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I miss Berman Trek. The 24th century was the best.
I'm more of a 23rd Century guy myself, but I suspect that's just a generational thing. I grew up on TOS, not the later shows, so it's still near and dear to my heart.
I don't think it's a generational thing. I grew up on TOS as well, but the 24th century shows are more to my liking. I prefer character driven drama over science fiction. TOS is a show about science fiction concepts and is very light on characterization. On the other hand, the 24th century shows are about the characters. The plots exist to develop the characters or put them through situations to see how they react. "The Inner Light" wasn't about a society facing its last days; it was about Picard experiencing the life that he gave up for his career.

As for TOS, I do love the few character driven episodes such as "Journey to Babel", "The Doomsday Machine", "Balance of Terror", "The City on the Edge of Forever", etc. However, everything else is close to unwatchable for me.
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Old December 9 2013, 01:37 AM   #824
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

29 and will take TOS (Roddenberry or Abrams) over the Berman era anyday.
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Old December 9 2013, 02:04 AM   #825
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I don't think it's a generational thing. I grew up on TOS as well, but the 24th century shows are more to my liking. I prefer character driven drama over science fiction. TOS is a show about science fiction concepts and is very light on characterization. On the other hand, the 24th century shows are about the characters. The plots exist to develop the characters or put them through situations to see how they react. "The Inner Light" wasn't about a society facing its last days; it was about Picard experiencing the life that he gave up for his career.
That's about the exact opposite of my interpretation. I see TOS as being about the characters first. Them and their interactions keep me watching even through the worst episodes. I think David Gerrold once called it a buddy cop show in space pretending to be sci-fi.
TNG I see as a group of unrelatable, unrealistic and ultra-PC characters going through far less colourful adventures.
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