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Old December 2 2013, 09:41 AM   #16
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As is, I think the saucer flows naturally with the rest of the lines of the ship.
I agree, the flow is perfect this way.
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Old December 2 2013, 09:42 PM   #17
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Yay! My actor is onboard to play Sulu Jr.
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Old December 3 2013, 05:51 PM   #18
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I like it but think the saucer too Sovereignish (Sovereignesque?).
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Old December 3 2013, 06:40 PM   #19
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Hence the preference of some for a registry in the 8xxxx range.
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Old December 3 2013, 09:09 PM   #20
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Leaning back toward NX-2000-A...
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Old December 3 2013, 09:22 PM   #21
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^ Go for it, the ship is legendary enough so...
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Old December 3 2013, 11:46 PM   #22
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I still find the main deflector glaringly ugly, which is a shame, because the rest of the ship has some beautiful design elements (the shape of the saucer section, the nacelles, and the fantail, for instance). I'd have to say that the aft cutout in the secondary hull is my favorite design element of the whole ship.

I find the inability to use the saucer's impulse drives for extended periods of time when moving the whole ship and a lack of warp drives for the saucer section to be glaring inadequacies for a vessel originally designed to replace the Sovereign or Galaxy class, and it would have been really forward thinking to give the Saucer Section Quantum Slipstream abilities.

Perhaps these are things to think about if you do any more designs, or alter the Excelsior.

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Perhaps the Excelsior's registry should be 300001?
I think you could just put an '8' in front of the '3000', and you'd be good to go!
That really depends on the year that she is commissioned. If it is in 2385, I'd say 85000-ish. If in 2390, I'd say 90000-ish. If in 2395, then 95000-ish. If in 2400, I'd have to 100000-ish. You might want to also look for other ships commissioned around the same time, and look at their registry numbers for reference. Keeping the NX prefix might make sense if the shield booster is still in the experimental stage.

Given that there are at least 2 ships that should be of the same era that has the name Excelsior, I wouldn't blame you if you did give her a letter registry, though that doesn't mean she is going to be counted in my timeline, as I consider the Queenstown class to be the current Excelsior. Then again, I've also already decided on which Frontier class is in the primary timeline I work in.
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Old December 4 2013, 12:37 AM   #23
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I still find the main deflector glaringly ugly
Any improvement over this?


Perhaps I just made it more complex, without actually correcting it…

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Old December 4 2013, 06:24 AM   #24
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That really depends on the year that she is commissioned. If it is in 2385, I'd say 85000-ish. If in 2390, I'd say 90000-ish. If in 2395, then 95000-ish. If in 2400, I'd have to 100000-ish.
I'm guessing these ranges are based on STO? (I don't play, but I've seen some images with numbers up there.) I'm not sure I buy into the thought that Starfleet puts out 1000 new registries every year. It doesn't seem to mesh too well with a universe where NCC-70637 was commissioned in 2357 and NCC-74656 was commissioned 14 years later.

But I guess since the registries are all just pretty much advanced handwavium anyway, I would say just go with whatever number you like!
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Old December 5 2013, 09:28 PM   #25
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I'm not against changes to the deflector, if improvements were recommended.
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Old December 7 2013, 12:39 AM   #26
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I love that long trailing shuttlebay...
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Old December 7 2013, 09:20 AM   #27
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I'm not against changes to the deflector, if improvements were recommended.

Why? I think it looks perfect this way.
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Old December 7 2013, 07:55 PM   #28
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Hmm, there's actually not much that otherwise fits the ship, there are a few details you can change a bit, otherwise that deflector just fits the ship perfectly.
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Old December 8 2013, 10:50 PM   #29
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The wrap around windows in place of the torpedo bay is a great choice.
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Old December 9 2013, 07:28 PM   #30
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There was a time in development that I had considered an oval deflector, more like the Galaxy or Intrepid:


I ended up moving towards a small round deflector, as that's what the Sovereign had (and I felt my design was too old fashioned) but in retrospect, that was because for the Sovereign they had to match the deflector to a physical set in First Contact, and a small round set is much easier to construct and film than a big oval one.

It was also the last aspect I finished as it was facing away from the camera in my submission shot, though you can still see it in the orthographic view: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/att...1&d=1295299530

It was also many people's least favorite design element in my promo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEUf9UfRpSU
So I put the extra work into polishing it afterwards, but after the contest ended the contest judges said they were looking for an oval deflector, so it may well have ruled out my design, so it's something I've always second guessed.

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The wrap around windows in place of the torpedo bay is a great choice.
Cool I wanted an observation deck on both the saucer and the star drive, and that seemed a good place for one, as I had moved most of the torpedo launchers to the bottom of the saucer, as the Sovereign had them away from the non-neck, almost replacing (and some say obstructed by) the Captain's yacht.

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