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Old December 8 2013, 05:29 AM   #16
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Re: What Name did Captain Janeway’s Friends and Family Call Her?

Chak calls her Kathryn in The Eternal Tide after she is returned to him (clothed) from the dead and takes him back into her bed.

So. Her flesh and blood lover calls her Kathryn. I think Katie is only used as a family diminutive.
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Old December 8 2013, 05:36 AM   #17
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Chak calls her Kathryn in The Eternal Tide after she is returned to him (clothed) from the dead and takes him back into her bed.

So. Her flesh and blood lover calls her Kathryn. I think Katie is only used as a family diminutive.
If you're intimate with someone, would you really still call them by a formal name?
Has the writer actually had an ongoing sexual relationship?
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Old December 8 2013, 05:37 AM   #18
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I wonder though if she had herself called Katie by her holo-lover as a part of playing someone not quite herself.
I just took it as a more familiar form of her name that she would never allow anyone on the ship to use. "Kathryn" is a pretty formal-sounding name, at least to my ears.

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Katie, not Kathryn was her character name in the Fairhaven holonovel.

Katie O'Clare.

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PATTERSON: You're late.
JANEWAY: Sorry, sir.
PATTERSON: What's the threshold of the H-two molecule?
JANEWAY: Fourteen point seven electron volts.
PATTERSON: Third brightest star in Orion?
JANEWAY: Viewed from where?
PATTERSON: Earth.
JANEWAY: Gamma Orionis, or Bellatrix, if you prefer the original Arabic name.
PATTERSON: Not bad. Now, give me a hug, Katie, that's an order.
JANEWAY: I wasn't expecting a pop quiz.
PATTERSON: Just wanted to make sure all those pips haven't made you forget you're a scientist first.
JANEWAY: How could they? I still have nightmares about your fractal calculus final.
Well, some Admiral no-one from her past could get away with calling her Katie.

The DaVinci hologram would have been talking in Italian unless Janeway instructed it to speak in English, but the Universal translator would have wrestled what he said into English.

Maybe her name was not translated from the original Italian?
I'm guessing Admiral Patterson was probably a special mentor/teacher Janeway had? Possibly someone who might have been friends with her father, and therefore a family friend? Speculation, I know.

"Caterina" is an Italian form of "Kathryn" - at least according to The Borgias.

It's not so unusual to use a foreign form of someone's name when otherwise speaking English. My RL middle name is the Swedish form of an English name, and I'd never expect anyone to refer to me by the English form. And I spent over a dozen years in the Society for Creative Anachronism. My persona in that organization is Norwegian. Even to this day there are people who know me only as "Freydis" and would never call me anything else. I answer to that name as readily as my legal, given name.
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Old December 8 2013, 05:37 AM   #19
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Chak calls her Kathryn in The Eternal Tide after she is returned to him (clothed) from the dead and takes him back into her bed.

So. Her flesh and blood lover calls her Kathryn. I think Katie is only used as a family diminutive.
If you're intimate with someone, would you really still call them by a formal name?
Has the writer actually had an ongoing sexual relationship?


Sure, if that's the name they prefer. Not everyone is comfortable with their nicknames or diminutives.

Though I like this idea, perhaps it means they weren't really lovers?
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Old December 8 2013, 05:37 AM   #20
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Her children growing up are going to call her sir.
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Old December 8 2013, 05:38 AM   #21
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Her children growing up are going to call her sir.
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Old December 8 2013, 05:39 AM   #22
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Her children growing up are going to call her sir.
Nah, she'll make them call her by rank.

Kid: "Mommy--"
Janeway: "That's ADMIRAL Mommy!"
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Old December 8 2013, 05:41 AM   #23
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And I spent over a dozen years in the Society for Creative Anachronism. My persona in that organization is Norwegian. Even to this day there are people who know me only as "Freydis" and would never call me anything else. I answer to that name as readily as my legal, given name.
If it wasn't so precious sounding I'd change my name to teacake. I've had this name 15 years now.
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Old December 8 2013, 05:42 AM   #24
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Her children growing up are going to call her sir.
Nah, she'll make them call her by rank.

Kid: "Mommy--"
Janeway: "That's ADMIRAL Mommy!"
It is my profound desire that Janeway never breed.

Other than the ones she already has in that mud hole that is.
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Old December 8 2013, 05:51 AM   #25
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Her children growing up are going to call her sir.
Nah, she'll make them call her by rank.

Kid: "Mommy--"
Janeway: "That's ADMIRAL Mommy!"
It is my profound desire that Janeway never breed.

Other than the ones she already has in that mud hole that is.
Yeah, it's odd that in all the fanfic I've read about those salamander kids, not one of them has anything nice to say about the mother who abandoned them.

I haven't read most of the post-TV series novels. Did anyone ever ask Janeway why she deliberately abandoned her own offspring?
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As I recall it has NEVER come up.

And don't forget Paris also abandoned them
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As I recall it has NEVER come up.

And don't forget Paris also abandoned them
True, although since she had the higher rank, it would be her final say that mattered. At least fanfic has remedied this egregious breach of parental responsibility
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Old December 8 2013, 05:56 AM   #28
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Chak calls her Kathryn in The Eternal Tide after she is returned to him (clothed) from the dead and takes him back into her bed.

So. Her flesh and blood lover calls her Kathryn. I think Katie is only used as a family diminutive.
If you're intimate with someone, would you really still call them by a formal name?
Has the writer actually had an ongoing sexual relationship?
Sure, if that's the name they prefer. Not everyone is comfortable with their nicknames or diminutives.

Though I like this idea, perhaps it means they weren't really lovers?
I love it when they call me "Big Poppa".
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Wait wait I found THIS passage!

Chakotay was comfortable about calling his beloved Kathryn, thinking as he did that such intimacies diminutives of Kathryn pointed to were reserved for family. Until the day he overheard 7 as she returned a book of poems to the Captain pause after thanking her and add, blushing, "Katie".
Oh that was a great, great day.
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Wait wait I found THIS passage!

Chakotay was comfortable about calling his beloved Kathryn, thinking as he did that such intimacies diminutives of Kathryn pointed to were reserved for family. Until the day he overheard 7 as she returned a book of poems to the Captain pause after thanking her and add, blushing, "Katie".
Oh that was a great, great day.
Beloved??
It's like a sappy Harlequin Romance novel.
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