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Old December 6 2013, 08:57 PM   #76
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Re: Fast & Furious 7 - Lucas Black returns to franchise

Really, they should just use what they have as much as possible in a re-planned sequel and have Brian killed off somewhere in the story. Depending on what they have filmed it might be possible to "have their cake and eat it to", so to speak. Yeah, it might mean re-writing the movie and having to re-film a large portion of it to make the scenes fit. And it might mean at the very least having a body double for distance or in-car shots but it's possible to still have the Stathem story and just make Brian's death part of everything that happens.

Again, I'd argue it'd be "best" to make Brian die in something other than a car crash (which obviously would be tasteless considering how the actor really died) but I think it'd be pretty bad to make the last movie he filmed not ever see the light of day.
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Old December 6 2013, 11:11 PM   #77
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Which is why I really like Gaith's idea. I said I didn't want a revenge film. And I really don't. People mentioned that it already was going to be with Han, but that's different in just about every way. And I think most of us agree that jus having Brian ride off into the sunset off-screen would just be stupid.

Admittedly, re-castings aren't ideal, but this one would exist so much beyond the fourth wall that I doubt anyone would really care, and anyone who did object would just look like a buffoon.

This would allow for them to use all the footage they do have of Walker. And I bet they could land anyone they wanted for the role.
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Old December 6 2013, 11:20 PM   #78
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What if you use the action scenes he filmed, and then at the point where the footage runs out... Dom gets a phone call, has a one sided conversation, then tells the group that Brian is going back to take care of his wife and child and wishes them the best of luck.
Movies aren't shot in chronology. Without knowing what's in the can and what remains to be shot, it's impossible to know if there's even enough footage of Walker's character for it to be coherent with him.

Gaith's idea is probably too crazy for a major tentpole franchise, but this series is already pretty silly, so who knows?
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Old December 6 2013, 11:43 PM   #79
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Breaking the fourth wall or whatever by recasting is beyond the scope of the movie world's rules. It would be like including puppets or using wooden go-carts and pretending they're real cars.
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Old December 6 2013, 11:47 PM   #80
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Bullshit.
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Old December 7 2013, 09:13 AM   #81
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Seriously? Who would even want to make the movie at this point. If I was Diesel, I'd just say it's over. My best friend dies in a car wreck while a movie about cars we're making together is in production so now they have to figure out what to do with his character? Fuck that noise. Close production. Eat the loss of revenue and move on to something else. Doing anything else would be epically tasteless and beyond lame.

Kill his character off-screen? Tasteless Fail

Happy ending off-screen? Lame Fail

Recast and reshoot? Epic Fail
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Old December 7 2013, 12:10 PM   #82
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Movie contracts don't have a "my best friend just died" clause. If the studio wants to keep making movies Vin Diesel has to make them or break his contract, which is costly and won't make him look good.
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Old December 7 2013, 02:24 PM   #83
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<<Seriously? Who would even want to make the movie at this point. >>

Fast Six Box Office: 789 million
Fast Five Box Office: 626 million
Fast Four Box Office: 363 million

The studios, of course!
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Old December 7 2013, 03:15 PM   #84
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Seriously? Who would even want to make the movie at this point.
You have to have some perspective. If someone dies at work due to some industrial accident, they don't shut down the business for good. It's a damn shame that Walker died so young, but life has to go on. Should all of Roger Rodas' business ventures be cancelled too?
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Old December 7 2013, 05:21 PM   #85
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Seriously? Who would even want to make the movie at this point. If I was Diesel, I'd just say it's over. My best friend dies in a car wreck while a movie about cars we're making together is in production so now they have to figure out what to do with his character? Fuck that noise. Close production. Eat the loss of revenue and move on to something else. Doing anything else would be epically tasteless and beyond lame.
Insurance would eliminate any loss of revenue in this case, but obviously Universal is going to push forward in some fashion. The Fast & Furious series is their most profitable active franchise, and it will continue, without Walker. I have no idea what Diesel or the rest want to do, but you can bet that if he or others didn't show up for work Universal would sue them for breach of contract, and win.
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Old December 7 2013, 05:51 PM   #86
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Breaking the fourth wall or whatever by recasting is beyond the scope of the movie world's rules. It would be like including puppets or using wooden go-carts and pretending they're real cars.
Terrance Howard agrees
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Old December 7 2013, 06:06 PM   #87
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Seriously? Who would even want to make the movie at this point. If I was Diesel, I'd just say it's over. My best friend dies in a car wreck while a movie about cars we're making together is in production so now they have to figure out what to do with his character? Fuck that noise. Close production. Eat the loss of revenue and move on to something else. Doing anything else would be epically tasteless and beyond lame.
I'm just guessing here, as I didn't know the guy, but from what I've heard of Walker's character I doubt he'd have agreed with you. From all indications, he really enjoyed being part of the franchise, which was not only up his alley - he was a fast-car aficionado before being cast in the first movie - but a great job for many crew members he spent years working with. Granted, production employees with that kind of experience would probably still find work if the whole franchise was shut down, but not necessarily with each other, and not necessarily for as much money. If he'd been paralyzed but survived, Christopher Reeve-style, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he endorsed the recasting option. You're making a lot of wild guess assumptions here.
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Old December 7 2013, 07:30 PM   #88
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Seriously? Who would even want to make the movie at this point. If I was Diesel, I'd just say it's over. My best friend dies in a car wreck while a movie about cars we're making together is in production so now they have to figure out what to do with his character? Fuck that noise. Close production. Eat the loss of revenue and move on to something else. Doing anything else would be epically tasteless and beyond lame.
This is not how the real world works.

Eat the loss of the revenue?

Diesel isn't going to say "Fuck this, I'm going home." because he's a professional.

In any other project in any other profession in the world, if someone involved tragically dies before it's complete, the others just don't say "Aww shucks," and give up. They bring someone else in to finish the job and honor his memory the best they can.

Nice try, but this post is epic fail.
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Old December 7 2013, 11:39 PM   #89
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Isn't it in poor taste to kill him in the movie, though? Isn't it better to retire the character in a happy family life?
I don't think so even though because of the money we are talking about an instant gut wrenching decision. Just this summer we had the story of James Hunt willing to risk his life for that title or just to beat a horribly burned Nikki Lauda. From all reports it seems as if Paul Walker was living a fast and furious lifestyle minus the armed robberies and the risk taken could and did end in his death. It would almost a PSA to have Brian die in just an accident as a result of his hobby.

I think however rather then an accident they may combine his story with Han's. And the team goes for revenge. The question then becomes will O'Conner be killed before Dom travels to Japan to meet the Drift King or after as a team member lost during the mission. And I guess that is dependent upon how much they have shot already.
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Old December 9 2013, 08:15 PM   #90
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Base_Delta_Zero wrote: View Post
Seriously? Who would even want to make the movie at this point. If I was Diesel, I'd just say it's over. My best friend dies in a car wreck while a movie about cars we're making together is in production so now they have to figure out what to do with his character? Fuck that noise. Close production. Eat the loss of revenue and move on to something else. Doing anything else would be epically tasteless and beyond lame.

Kill his character off-screen? Tasteless Fail

Happy ending off-screen? Lame Fail

Recast and reshoot? Epic Fail
Without Fast and Furious, Universal could easily cease to exist. They HAVE to continue, and as contracts were signed, they can ensure that they do.

Besides, without any of us actually knowing Paul Walker, how can we say what he'd want. He may well have been the sort of guy who'd be horrified if they pulled the plug.

Use what they can, film around it, use stand-ins and a little CGI. Kill off the character. Do it in as good taste as possible and dedicate the movie to him.

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