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Old December 6 2013, 01:12 AM   #16
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Considering this was a movie from the late 1970s and they weren't really thinking about a sequel, this fits. Alternate ideas:
See? And I don't think almost any of those are suitable/workable (no offense). As I said above, titles are hard.
I think it's old Phase II title, The God Thing sounds good. it conveys the scope of V'ger's might.
Wasn't "The God Thing" a different Star Trek movie proposal? The Phase 2 script was "In Thy Image".
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Old December 6 2013, 01:14 AM   #17
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I always liked the way the titles of ST II through IV can function as chapter titles in a serial. The first part of the trilogy depicts the wrath of Khan, the second chronicles the search for Spock, and the third wraps it up with the voyage home.


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The Final Frontier. A bit shit this one, isn't it? It doesn't do anything to describe the plot of the movie (what else to call it though, "Star Trek Finds God"?). But even worse: it's a little bland, a little trite, a little lazy, to just use the franchise's most famous catchphrase as a film title.
I think the idea was that the search for God was the final frontier, the ultimate quest.

Although come to think of it, this would've been a better title for TMP, because that movie was all about the search for transcendence, for a new, uncharted frontier. V'Ger was seeking a higher level of existence, Spock was searching for meaning... it would've been a good fit. Plus, as it is the series' catchphrase, it would've been more suited for the first movie than the fifth.


The Undiscovered Country. A nice evocative title that works on various levels: it's a Shakespeare quote, so it relates to General Chang and his love for quoting the Bard. This also nicely dove-tails with TOS, which had a thing for using Shakespeare quotes as episode titles itself (so, as the last TOS movie, it feels... approrpriate). The 'undiscovered country' could also herald the pending elevation of TNG to the front row of the TNG movie franchise, which was pretty much accepted as a certianty at that point, but they were still unproven ground. Or I could just be starting to waffle on a bit.
This one bugs me, because it fits TWOK, the movie it was originally intended for, much better than it fits TUC. In the context of Hamlet's soliloquy, "the undiscovered country" is death. It's a reference to the fear of death and the uncertainty about what lays beyond it, and that fits the story of TWOK quite well. But in order to recycle it for TUC, they had to do a handwave about how "the undiscovered country" is really the future, and that's a cheat, because that's not what it actually means.


Generations. It works. I'm no fan of TNG's tendency for one word titles, but this one conveys both that this is the first 'Next Generation' feature, and also that it crosses the 'generations' both literally and figuratively. So I like it.
Yeah, it worked pretty well, particularly since it also reflected the film's themes of family and mortality, the passing of the generations. And it was a damn sight better than Star Trek: The Next Generation: Insert Subtitle Here. It evoked TNG without awkwardness.



Nemesis. The worst of the lot? It's a misuse of the word 'nemesis' too, which is meant to be a continual threat or opposing force. It isn't strictly just an alternative word for 'enemy', although that is the context in which it is used here.
Ah, but Shinzon does see Picard as his nemesis, the shadow that's been looming over him his entire life, holding him back. Or, to look at it another way: Nemesis was the Greek goddess of divine retribution, and Shinzon delivered retribution unto the Romulans for their abuses.


Star Trek. Well, I can't fault it. It's a good title. For relaunching the franchise you can't get better than to go back to brass tacks, and this does the job for sure. The fan in me does kind of wish for a subtltle though...
I believe every story deserves its own title, so I don't care for generic movie titles like this. It's just so awkward. I think sooner or later there will be an official subtitle added to it for clarity, in the way that two previous works originally titled Star Trek -- the 1966 series and its 1973 animated revival -- have been retitled The Original Series and The Animated Series.


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I think it's old Phase II title, The God Thing sounds good. it conveys the scope of V'ger's might.
Actually The God Thing was a separate movie proposal by Roddenberry. Alan Dean Foster's Phase II pilot outline was called "In Thy Image." Which would've been a good name for TMP. In fact, decades ago, when I was trying to think of what would be a better title for TMP, I thought of calling it In Our Image or something like that, years before I discovered that it had been based on a story of nearly the same title!
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Old December 6 2013, 04:22 AM   #18
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Considering this was a movie from the late 1970s and they weren't really thinking about a sequel, this fits. Alternate ideas:
See? And I don't think almost any of those are suitable/workable (no offense). As I said above, titles are hard.
None taken. I was just having some fun, dude. I was actually waiting for the inevitable "your titles suck" post. Surprised it took so long!
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Old December 6 2013, 06:00 AM   #19
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Nemesis. The worst of the lot? It's a misuse of the word 'nemesis' too, which is meant to be a continual threat or opposing force. It isn't strictly just an alternative word for 'enemy', although that is the context in which it is used here.
Ah, but Shinzon does see Picard as his nemesis, the shadow that's been looming over him his entire life, holding him back. Or, to look at it another way: Nemesis was the Greek goddess of divine retribution, and Shinzon delivered retribution unto the Romulans for their abuses.
Interesting! Yes, I hadn't actually thought about it that way... yes, you're right Christopher, from Shinzon's point-of-view, Picard is indeed a nemesis.

Star Trek. Well, I can't fault it. It's a good title. For relaunching the franchise you can't get better than to go back to brass tacks, and this does the job for sure. The fan in me does kind of wish for a subtltle though...
I believe every story deserves its own title, so I don't care for generic movie titles like this. It's just so awkward. I think sooner or later there will be an official subtitle added to it for clarity, in the way that two previous works originally titled Star Trek -- the 1966 series and its 1973 animated revival -- have been retitled The Original Series and The Animated Series.
To be honest, I am quite fond of calling it Star Trek: The Future Begins for clarity reasons, which was derived from the tag-line on a couple of the movie posters, and I think it kind of sums up the movie nicely... but I have had some people online argue against the use of that title.
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Old December 6 2013, 07:25 AM   #20
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I'm fine with the 2009 film being just STAR TREK.
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Old December 6 2013, 10:10 AM   #21
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Come to think of it all the movie titles are pretty lame.

I don't care if titles are hard, people are being paid millions of dollars, they can hire some ideas guys for better titles.

The series had lots and lots of episodes which were mostly better titled.
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Old December 6 2013, 11:35 AM   #22
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See, but episode titles don't matter. Many shows don't even show them. A movie title is a different animal because, ideally, it should sell you on the movie without any other information. No one tuned in to Star Trek because the episode title grabbed their fancy.
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Old December 6 2013, 03:42 PM   #23
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calling the 2009 movie 'star trek' made all kinds of sense:

-hadnt been used for a movie before (they were lucky TMP wasnt just called 'Star Trek')

-its a big budget reboot (& prequel) of the original series that was also called 'Star Trek' (like the way the first Mission Impossible movie was called 'Mission Impossible', same for the 'Lost In Space' movie, 'The Fugitive' etc)

-let audiences know that it wasnt just another Trek sequel with a subtitle

-it was kind of an all encompassing Trek movie (sequel/prequel/reboot) incorperating elements of TOS, the movies, and TNG and its spin offs.
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Old December 6 2013, 04:33 PM   #24
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Star Trek III: Spock Reborn

Admittedly this would have ruined the "surprise" for the fans.


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Old December 6 2013, 04:55 PM   #25
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See, but episode titles don't matter. Many shows don't even show them. A movie title is a different animal because, ideally, it should sell you on the movie without any other information. No one tuned in to Star Trek because the episode title grabbed their fancy.
Star Trek has always shown its episode titles onscreen (with the sole exception of the original pilot). And I've heard it said that TOS was one of the first television series whose fans referred to its episodes by their titles, rather than just "The one with the salt vampire" or "The one with Joan Collins" or whatever. Although that was most likely because the constant reruns, and the relatively small size of the syndication package, meant that the titles got drilled into viewers' minds by repetition, like so much else about TOS.

In recent years, the trend in movie titles seems to be toward brevity and simplicity -- the extreme example being that the second X-Men movie was titled simply X2, although the subtitle X-Men United was tacked on at the last minute. A number of revivals and remakes these days are just given the basic series title and nothing more, like the 2008 Rambo. There also seems to be a trend away from using numbers in sequel titles. Trek movie titles in recent years reflect the industry trends.
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Old December 6 2013, 07:57 PM   #26
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The Movie subtitles are a bit like your friends' children, even the ones you initially think are a bit odd and/or a bad idea eventually grow on you and after the little sprogs have been around a while you can't imagine them being called anything else.

Of the weaker ones though, I think The Search for Spock is just a bit too much "What it says on the tin", all the other TOS titles (apart from the first of course which only needed the brand name and the clarification it was a film) at least tried to work on more than one level.

I do like Christopher's notion that Picard is actually the Nemesis of Nemesis which would actually make it a very clever, subversive title. Unfortunately, I can't quite believe anyone was thinking that when they named the film.
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See? And I don't think almost any of those are suitable/workable (no offense). As I said above, titles are hard.
I think it's old Phase II title, The God Thing sounds good. it conveys the scope of V'ger's might.
Wasn't "The God Thing" a different Star Trek movie proposal? The Phase 2 script was "In Thy Image".
Whoops! I still think it'd be a good fit for TMP, though.
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Old December 6 2013, 11:24 PM   #28
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I've always thought the TOS films would have been better without the numerals.

I never cared for them with any film and I'm glad the fad has (mostly) died.
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Old December 6 2013, 11:43 PM   #29
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I've always thought the TOS films would have been better without the numerals.
TWOK was originally released without the "II" in its onscreen title. The novelization omitted it as well. But the numeral was used in the film's posters, soundtrack album, photonovel, making-of book, etc., and was added to the film on re-release.
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Old December 7 2013, 01:20 AM   #30
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Of course, The Search for Spock is a spoiler, but it's clearly intentionnal. I rembember when I was a kid in the late nineties. Some Quebec's trekkies had been invited at a TV show and the hostess asked if Spock would be in the incoming movie (Insurrection). When my parents rented First Contact, my mother asked if the Vulcan at the end was "captain Spock". For the general public, Star Trek = Spock, so, for the producers, Spock = $pock.

French translation of titles are generally good for Star Trek movies, except the fourth were they missed the thing. Retour sur Terre, it's litterally Return on Earth and we finally discover that the home was an Enterprise commanded by Kirk.

Final Frontier is not an innapropriate name, but it could have been the title of the sixth. What's the biggest deal, the most extreme thing that Kirk could have done? Finding God or making peace with Klingons? I suggest "Star Trek V: The Secret Half-Bro Who Turned Charismatic" or "Camping, Horse Riding and Stripping".

Oh, and for Nemesis, I would have chosen something more linked to Romulus and Remus as mythological figures or about the rage of a bald cybergoth dragqueen who becames the dictator of the people he hates so much.
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