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Old December 5 2013, 08:30 PM   #136
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Re: Gal Gadot cast as Wonder Woman In ‘Batman Vs. Superman’

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And let's not forget freakin Milla Jovovich in the Resident Evil movies, or Kate Beckinsale in the Underworld movies. If fans can accept a couple of thin and delicate women like that kicking ass in their movies (and going up against all manner of huge monsters and zombie creatures), then surely we should be able to accept Gadot kicking ass as WW.
Good point! And it's probably worth pointing out (again) that Lynda Carter didn't look like a body-builder or professional wrestler.
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Old December 5 2013, 08:32 PM   #137
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And let's not forget freakin Milla Jovovich in the Resident Evil movies, or Kate Beckinsale in the Underworld movies.
Both rendered superhuman by viral infections (RE now having multiple overlapping infections and UW having Selene the 3rd most powerful being on Earth) which leave their external appearance identical to the moment of infection no matter how powerful they become later. Selene and Alice were rather normal, average strength people before.

I do see what you mean though, the Amazonian genetic structure or tissue much greater in density and strength while giving the same outward appearance as someone several times inferior to their ability. Some mystical energy infusing them that leaves no external sign of that power.
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Old December 5 2013, 08:44 PM   #138
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Re: Gal Gadot cast as Wonder Woman In ‘Batman Vs. Superman’

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And it's probably worth pointing out (again) that Lynda Carter didn't look like a body-builder or professional wrestler.
Why do people insist on bringing up body builders and pro wrestlers? A woman can be muscular and not look anything like that. You are taking the most extreme examples.
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Old December 5 2013, 08:49 PM   #139
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^^ So, magic? If they go with the gol... er, molded from clay origin, that makes it even more "likely."

It'll be interesting to see what direction they go with her assuming she's more than just a five-minute cameo. Straight-up Thor/Sif warrior-type (Thor's movies probably have made that more palatable)? "Ambassador of peace" from the Amazons?

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I'm not a big fan of body-builder Wonder Woman, but if they had gone with Gina Carano, the inspiration for Korra, I would have liked that. She's also Cavil's ex girlfriend.
Ah right, I knew there was a real-world inspiration there.

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Wonder Woman seems to be an object of fetish to a large slice of her fandom.
To be fair and without defending it, that's been there from the bginning.
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Old December 5 2013, 08:53 PM   #140
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And it's probably worth pointing out (again) that Lynda Carter didn't look like a body-builder or professional wrestler.
Why do people insist on bringing up body builders and pro wrestlers? A woman can be muscular and not look anything like that. You are taking the most extreme examples.
You are never getting to get someone who looks like the comics Wonder Woman - because like any other comics character, you'd be casting someone with an impossible waist and out of proportion breasts.
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Old December 5 2013, 09:00 PM   #141
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Re: Gal Gadot cast as Wonder Woman In ‘Batman Vs. Superman’

I'm not arguing that point. I am trying to say a woman can be fit and muscular without looking like a body builder or pro wrestler.
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Old December 5 2013, 09:09 PM   #142
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Re: Gal Gadot cast as Wonder Woman In ‘Batman Vs. Superman’

Supposedly, according to some tellings of the story, her strength come from her magic girdle.

As long as she has that girdle, no matter how strong she appears to look, this character can still juggle firetrucks.

And really what does a woman with a "perfect figure" need with a girdle anyways?
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Old December 5 2013, 09:16 PM   #143
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I guess it all depends on which interpretation they will base her character on. The current continuity has her being the daughter of Zeus, so it's no mystery where she gets her strength.
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Old December 5 2013, 10:10 PM   #144
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Wonder Woman seems to be an object of fetish to a large slice of her fandom.
To be fair and without defending it, that's been there from the bginning.
Yeah, William Moulton Marston, the guy who created Wonder Woman, was a bondage fetishist and some of that made its way into the early comics.
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Old December 5 2013, 10:21 PM   #145
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But Marston was also a feminist and wanted to create a character that would be empowering for women. Wonder Woman has always straddled that awkward line between aspirational figure for women and fetish figure for men. The problems is that the male comics establishment has too often pushed the balance in the latter direction.

Really, if you ask me, the much-reviled "Diana Prince/New Wonder Woman" era from the late '60s, where she lost her powers and costume and became an Emma Peel-inspired secret agent type, was the period when she was least fetishized and most successful as a feminist symbol, because she was able to operate on the same level as Batman, say, without needing any special powers, and because, while she was always fashionable, her clothing wasn't particularly revealing or impractical.
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Old December 5 2013, 10:35 PM   #146
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Not women. Young girls. Comics are for children, especially back the, and he was trying to make sure that 7 year olds were empowered. Adult women would nod and smile, and then wonder how stupid Marston thought they were.

Steve Trevor marrying the fat secretary Eta Candy said more about female empowerment than Wonder Woman the metahuman ever did.
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Old December 5 2013, 11:17 PM   #147
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Supposedly, according to some tellings of the story, her strength come from her magic girdle.

As long as she has that girdle, no matter how strong she appears to look, this character can still juggle firetrucks.

And really what does a woman with a "perfect figure" need with a girdle anyways?
The girdle thing was only the Lynda Carter TV show. But, your point that looks have nothing to do with her strength is quite right. This is comics, a fantasy, let it be.
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Old December 5 2013, 11:26 PM   #148
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Re: Gal Gadot cast as Wonder Woman In ‘Batman Vs. Superman’

Regardless of what the actress looks like (I think she'll put on some weight and she'll be fine), I am ridiculously excited about this. The Big Three are coming to the big screen and it makes me feel like a kid again. I think it's just possible that DC/WB are finally getting their shit together in the face of Marvel's overwhelming succes, and it's about time. I think it's smart of them not to follow Marvel's exact blueprint as well. They need to catch up, and getting their three biggest names into a movie posthaste seems like a good way to do it.

Anyone think it's possible they might be pulling a bait-and-switch here? Like maybe at the next Comicon they'll go "Oh, by the way, Green Lantern and Flash are in this movie, too and it's now called 'Justice League'"? Just speculation, but it does seem that this is a lot bigger than a Man Of Steel sequel.
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Old December 5 2013, 11:29 PM   #149
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I doubt it. The general audience doesn't really know or care about comics to the extent such a bait and switch would cause anything but confusion.
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I doubt it. The general audience doesn't really know or care about comics to the extent such a bait and switch would cause anything but confusion.
That may have been true at one point, but I think the success of the Avengers speaks for itself. And the Avengers had much less mainstream recognition. Even my 75 year old parents have a basic idea of what the Justice League is.

I'm not saying I'm right. Again, it's speculation fueled by fanboy excitement. But I do think you're overlooking how much mainstream appeal comic book characters have gained.
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