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Old December 2 2013, 01:58 AM   #331
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Lexx has a great series finale too. I won't say anything for spoilers, but it's very satisfying and true to the mood and themes of the series.
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Old December 2 2013, 02:00 AM   #332
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The episode where they played Chess near the end is so fantastically meta.
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Old December 3 2013, 04:49 AM   #333
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Rollins was an Ensign when we first see him in 'Caretaker', but when he appears again in 'Dreadnought' he's a Leiutenant (presumably so he can outrank Tom). So compared to Harry "Operations Manager" Kim, Ensign Rollins was obviously an engine on the fast-track. Harry wasn't even a caboose.
....or we're just assuming Ensign Rollins & Lt. Rollins are one and the same person. Wasn't there a Admiral Chakotay in DS9?

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On the subject of crew screw ups, I remember that Tuvok and Vorik say there were no Vulcan females on Voyager despite the fact that we see one. I read somewhere the writers tried to explain it away by saying the woman just looked Vulcan but was some other species. Possible, yes, but still sloppy storytelling. Anyone watching would naturally assume she was a Vulcan, which was obviously the intention of the time.
That's the make-up dept. not the script writers and the fact the show isn't filmed in order.
If I write a story about no Vulcan women on the ship and the make up dept. decides to put Vulcan ears on a stand in, that's not the writers fault. It's a miscommunication between dept., that stuff happens all the time in movies.
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Old December 3 2013, 05:29 AM   #334
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I don't necessarily mean to place all the blame on the writers, I think the sloppiness I referred to was a group effort. I don't mean to be too harsh, it is just one detail. But maybe that sort of detail should've been in the series bible, or at least whoever's in charge of these kind of things should've noticed. It's just a nit picky little mistake, but it is a little jarring and takes me out of the story a little when mistakes like that get made, but they happen, I get that.
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Old December 3 2013, 07:16 AM   #335
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If I write a story about no Vulcan women on the ship and the make up dept. decides to put Vulcan ears on a stand in, that's not the writers fault. It's a miscommunication between dept., that stuff happens all the time in movies.
Why will no one believe my Vulcan weeabo explanation. It makes perfect sense.
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Old December 3 2013, 07:38 AM   #336
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In Meld Janeway asks why Tuvok didn't ask one of the other Vulcans to meld with him.

"Plural".

No mention in Counterpoint.

Jesus! The unnamed Vulcan female is from season 7's repression?

AND SHE'S A MAQUIS!

No frakking excuse.
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Old December 3 2013, 01:39 PM   #337
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There could be another male Vulcan on board.
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Old December 3 2013, 07:47 PM   #338
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Other than Vorrik?

Here's the thing, if she's Maquis, she could be Romulan.

Janeway had a Romulan on Board and didn't "use" her during Eye of the Needle to prove that she was progressive, or as a hostage because not very deep down at all she's a ####?

Cinderfuckingrella.

Here's the other thing... If Janeway accepted a Maquis Romulan onto her crew no questions asked, and the Federation were allies with the Cardassians... What the frakk was Seska's beef?

Sounds more personal than political.
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Old December 4 2013, 12:53 AM   #339
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I'm pretty sure we see enough of the Vulcanoid woman to know she doesn't have the Romulan forehead. I would think if there were a Romulan on board something interesting could and should have been done with her.
I just accept her as a non Romulan, non Vulcan Vulcanoid. All the speculation is fun though.
Seska's issues seem to be about her frustrated unrequited love for Chakotay as much as anything else.
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Old December 4 2013, 05:43 AM   #340
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In Meld Janeway asks why Tuvok didn't ask one of the other Vulcans to meld with him.

"Plural".

No mention in Counterpoint.

Jesus! The unnamed Vulcan female is from season 7's repression?

AND SHE'S A MAQUIS!

No frakking excuse.
Other than "Repression" being a bad story to being with?
Wait, it must be the writers way of pissing off the Tuvok fans on purpose!!!


Oh, wrong subject.
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Old December 4 2013, 06:18 AM   #341
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But even Romulans didn't all have the Romulan forehead..
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Old December 4 2013, 06:30 AM   #342
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In Meld Janeway asks why Tuvok didn't ask one of the other Vulcans to meld with him.

"Plural".

No mention in Counterpoint.

Jesus! The unnamed Vulcan female is from season 7's repression?

AND SHE'S A MAQUIS!

No frakking excuse.
Other than "Repression" being a bad story to being with?
Wait, it must be the writers way of pissing off the Tuvok fans on purpose!!!


Oh, wrong subject.
Do you think Tuvok transposed that programming into Neelix from their joint period?
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Old December 5 2013, 01:58 PM   #343
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Wasn't there a female Vulcan medical officer seen in Caretaker?
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Old December 5 2013, 03:03 PM   #344
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I'm going a few pages back, and ripping this thread away from thinking about Vulcan sex, but:

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That, and we should take into account all the folks killed in the pilot.
This is my thinking. Looking at Voyager and Kim's place on it is a bit ingenious because of Caretaker and the loss of the crew. Kim might not have been intended to be Head of Ops, but just Ops, reporting to a senior, with that senior on a different shift.

Which, taking Kim as the head of the class, and getting on what was likely a minor ship on a short assignment (wasn't it meant to be only a few months?), that's not unfeasible. His scores put him on something of a fast track. If he'd applied for the Enterprise he'd probably not get a Bridge position, even a junior one because it's the flagship, and no matter how good your scores are you don't get on the bridge that easy (unless the Captain feels responsible for the death of your father and happens to be in love with your mother, who's also the CMO, but can't admit it because of previously mentioned father)

Anyway, all hell kicks loose, the ship is in the Delta Quadrant and all Harry's Ops colleagues are dead (who he never got a chance to now). Suddenly this newly graduated kid is head of a department. And quickly proves that test scores don't equal talent in the real world and never gets a promotion.
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Old December 5 2013, 05:53 PM   #345
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K.I.S.S.

(Keep It Simple Stupid.)

A Vulcan-appearing Starfleet nurse aboard the USS Voyager, seen both in sickbay and eating in the mess hall. She was killed when Voyager was pulled into the Delta Quadrant, along with the rest of their medical staff. (VOY: "Caretaker")
This nurse was portrayed by background actress T. Peterson who received no credit for this appearance.The Vulcan-appearing nurse can be seen in sickbay while Voyager is docked at DS9. She can also be seen smiling and laughing in the mess hall, which may imply (if she is Vulcan) that she is a descendant of the V'tosh ka'tur. In L.A. Graf's novelization of Caretaker, the character was given the name T'prena, whereas in Susan Wright's The Badlands, Book Two her name was T'Ral. Neither novel provides any meaningful background to the character.
A laughing Vulcan?

What the frakk was janeway thinking when she put this crew together?
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