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Old December 5 2013, 12:21 AM   #1066
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Still seems odd to me that they wouldn't at least announce that "Yes we were able to find Marco Polo, but we still need more time to properly restore it. Stay tuned." Fans are going to be excited and buy this thing regardless, and in fact you'd probably build the anticipation up even higher by doing that.

Yeah yeah, I know. The BBC likes to do things their own way.
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Old December 5 2013, 12:29 AM   #1067
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I just don't have the energy for any more hoping. My excitement is starting to be overwhelmed by my frustration at the frequent lies, disinformation, and nonsensical secrecy.
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Old December 5 2013, 01:23 AM   #1068
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Still seems odd to me that they wouldn't at least announce that "Yes we were able to find Marco Polo, but we still need more time to properly restore it. Stay tuned." Fans are going to be excited and buy this thing regardless, and in fact you'd probably build the anticipation up even higher by doing that.

Yeah yeah, I know. The BBC likes to do things their own way.
According to the rumors I've heard, the reason for this is that when the BBC announced the recovery of Galaxy 4 well in advance of its release on The Aztecs DVD, they didn't sell as many as had been hoped. As a result, The Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear were only announced at the same time they became available on iTunes, so as not to let the excitement die down. The time to expect another announcement is when Marco Polo is ready for release, and there is no other big Doctor Who news on the horizon to interfere with it.

At least, that's what I've heard. I'm not saying I necessarily believe it.
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Old December 5 2013, 01:57 AM   #1069
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Still seems odd to me that they wouldn't at least announce that "Yes we were able to find Marco Polo, but we still need more time to properly restore it. Stay tuned." Fans are going to be excited and buy this thing regardless, and in fact you'd probably build the anticipation up even higher by doing that.

Yeah yeah, I know. The BBC likes to do things their own way.
According to the rumors I've heard, the reason for this is that when the BBC announced the recovery of Galaxy 4 well in advance of its release on The Aztecs DVD, they didn't sell as many as had been hoped. As a result, The Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear were only announced at the same time they became available on iTunes, so as not to let the excitement die down. The time to expect another announcement is when Marco Polo is ready for release, and there is no other big Doctor Who news on the horizon to interfere with it.

At least, that's what I've heard. I'm not saying I necessarily believe it.
Expecting great sales on The Aztecs, just for a single episode of Galaxy 4 was probably over expecting, but, it makes sense, that you don't want to create the hype before you are ready to announce a delivery date or actually deliver the Product. Just like with Movie Marketing, it's there is much marketing outside of a month before release, because hype dies too soon if you spend too much marketing before that.
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Old December 5 2013, 03:12 AM   #1070
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Of course, Airlock wasn't released on The Aztecs special edition until almost 18 months after its recovery was announced, but which point it had, ah, leaked. Narrowly, at one year in, and widely within a few months after that. Of course it didn't sell as well as it might have done six months earlier.
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Old December 5 2013, 04:27 AM   #1071
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My take on it is that the release of a complete or nearly complete serial, and a highly sought-after one at that, a few months after an announcement of its recovery is not necessarily comparable to a single episode attached to a re-release of a historical more than a year after being announced, but I wouldn't blame the BBC for being cautious about it.
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Old December 5 2013, 04:35 AM   #1072
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Of course, Airlock wasn't released on The Aztecs special edition until almost 18 months after its recovery was announced, but which point it had, ah, leaked. Narrowly, at one year in, and widely within a few months after that. Of course it didn't sell as well as it might have done six months earlier.
Just like The Underwater Menace 2 which is yet to get an official release date but has been online for over a year.

In fact I think I saw TUM2 before Air Lock!
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Old December 5 2013, 01:40 PM   #1073
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According to the rumors I've heard, the reason for this is that when the BBC announced the recovery of Galaxy 4 well in advance of its release on The Aztecs DVD, they didn't sell as many as had been hoped.
Not least because so many people won't double-dip, and why should they? Lots of us who already bought The Aztecs on DVD aren't going to buy it again for an extra extra feature, even if it is a previously missing episode. Maybe if it had completed a story, sales would have picked up, but one episode...? nah.
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Old December 5 2013, 03:36 PM   #1074
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Expecting dramatic sales for the Aztecs with the recovered episode was a bit too optimistic. I'm a huge classic series fan but a lone episode isn't enough for me to double dip. Entire recovered stories (or mostly) is an entirely different thing.

I'm torn. Part of me thinks that the BBC should do whatever their marketing instincts say is best.

On the other hand, I've also got to think that any plan that keeps recovered episodes secret for so long, encourages lying among the finders, and allows fan rumors to run rampant, can't be a good thing either.

There is a middle ground. The BBC should be a little smarter in how they do things. Don't paint isolated finds and entire recovered stories with the same brush. Release some information to build up excitement and to keep fan expectations realistic. Don't let things lie dormant for sooo long. Etc.

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Old December 6 2013, 03:21 AM   #1075
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Expecting dramatic sales for the Aztecs with the recovered episode was a bit too optimistic. I'm a huge classic series fan but a lone episode isn't enough for me to double dip. Entire recovered stories (or mostly) is an entirely different thing.

I'm torn. Part of me thinks that the BBC should do whatever their marketing instincts say is best.

On the other hand, I've also got to think that any plan that keeps recovered episodes secret for so long, encourages lying among the finders, and allows fan rumors to run rampant, can't be a good thing either.

There is a middle ground. The BBC should be a little smarter in how they do things. Don't paint isolated finds and entire recovered stories with the same brush. Release some information to build up excitement and to keep fan expectations realistic. Don't let things lie dormant for sooo long. Etc.

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You're assuming "they" have a choice. What if the BBC were told 'you can have these back but you can't say anything until they're ready for release'?

They'd be bound by their own confidentiality agreement.
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Old December 6 2013, 02:51 PM   #1076
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There's no evidence either way as far as I know. But, yes, I'd assume that they have a choice. I'd also assume that if whoever recovered any additional stories had any monetary gain from it, they wouldn't want to force the BBC to shoot themselves in the foot. But, who knows. It'll be interesting if the truth ever comes out.

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Old December 9 2013, 03:17 PM   #1077
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Another interesting day on the missing episodes front. Doctor Who Archive, the site whose rumor roundups have been linked a couple times earlier in the thread, has an article drawing on e-mails from October released due to a Freedom of Information Act request made to the BFI. The important bit is that the author of the e-mails (some of which have been posted on DWA's Twitter) says that the BFI was "involved in this discovery [Enemy and Web]," but can't say so publicly until later in the year, "when a more extensive revelation of the finds is made." Does that mean an announcement of more Doctor Who, an announcement of non-Who material, or simply a fuller narrative of the Enemy/Web find? Nobody knows, though the article says, without an e-mail to back it up, "Despite some rumour last month, the BFI hold no missing episodes of Doctor Who."

DWA also plans another missing episode article for today, one that will apparently confirm or reveal something about the Cardiff production team's involvement in the recovery. It's also being reported that Moffat confirmed at an event the other day that he knew Web had been found when he was writing "The Snowmen" in summer 2012.
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Old December 9 2013, 03:45 PM   #1078
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I didn't know Britain had a Freedom of Information Act.
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Old December 9 2013, 03:48 PM   #1079
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Interesting. Moffat knew for a considerable time which means two things: 1) The discoveries aren't recent (I'm not sure if that was firmly established or not prior to now); 2) In addition to all of the celebrative material for the anniversary, Moffat really meant it when he said "more Doctor Who than ever before" way back when he first promoted the anniversary year.
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Old December 9 2013, 03:51 PM   #1080
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I didn't know Britain had a Freedom of Information Act.
It does. Strictly speaking the BFI isn't bound by it (though the BBC is, with certain exemptions), but as they're a type of organization it's meant to include, they comply with requests concerning public activities anyway.

The interesting thing about Moffat's comment (if it's real; I haven't seen a concrete source) is that the Restoration Team only received the episodes for restoration this summer. So there was a period of about a year where the episodes were known to exist but not in the possession of the BBC.
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