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Old December 4 2013, 03:51 PM   #136
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Ellsbury brings a higher on base percentage, less strike-outs, more stolen bases and you don't loose much pop.
Fun fact: If Ellsbury had hit one fewer home run this past season, his 2011 season would comprise exactly half of his career total. Remove 2011 from the equation (because he's never going to repeat that), and he averages about eight dingers a season. Ellsbury has very little pop; he's basically Carl Crawford 2.0 (except he's somehow getting paid more). Ellsbury is not elite talent, and there's no reason to pay him like he is.

The other interesting factor in play here is that the Yankees are still desperately trying to get under the luxury tax threshold and reports say they haven't given up on Cano, which would suggest they're expecting a Christmas present in the form of a lengthy Alex Rodriguez suspension.
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Ellsbury brings a higher on base percentage, less strike-outs, more stolen bases and you don't loose much pop.
Fun fact: If Ellsbury had hit one fewer home run this past season, his 2011 season would comprise exactly half of his career total. Remove 2011 from the equation (because he's never going to repeat that), and he averages about eight dingers a season. Ellsbury has very little pop; he's basically Carl Crawford 2.0 (except he's somehow getting paid more). Ellsbury is not elite talent, and there's no reason to pay him like he is.

The other interesting factor in play here is that the Yankees are still desperately trying to get under the luxury tax threshold and reports say they haven't given up on Cano, which would suggest they're expecting a Christmas present in the form of a lengthy Alex Rodriguez suspension.
I'm not so sure about the "trying to stay under $189". I know they've stated that, but it sure doesn't seem like that's really a factor.

Not sure I agree about Ellsbury either. I think he is a top tear player. Just look at what he brought to the Red Sox last year.

I DEEPLY hope that the Yankees know something we don't about the Choke-Rod debacle. Nothing would make my day more than to never see this guy play another game (at least never again in pin-stripes)

I also read that they Yanks won't go over $175 for Cano....

We'll see I guess, it's kind of suprising to me that Seattle all of a sudden "might" be willing to pay Cano $200. I'm taking that with a grain of salt.
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Old December 4 2013, 04:37 PM   #138
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Well, they were rumored to be in on Ells, so now that that money is available again, it's not that far fetched. They've got some pitching, need some bats.

And for all the people the Yanks are bringing in, pitching remains their biggest problem, and they've done nothing about that. good luck there...
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Old December 4 2013, 04:55 PM   #139
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Well, they were rumored to be in on Ells, so now that that money is available again, it's not that far fetched. They've got some pitching, need some bats.

And for all the people the Yanks are bringing in, pitching remains their biggest problem, and they've done nothing about that. good luck there...
I think they are going to bring in Jap sensation Tanaka.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/ja...d=tanaka003mas

Fingers crossed on getting Kuroda to sign one more...

Peneda should be healthy for the first time in Pinstripes...

I don't think Robertson is the answer to replace Mo. He's too good and too valuable to bring in in the 7th and 8th.

Lots of work to do...
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Old December 4 2013, 06:09 PM   #140
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If the Yankees somehow get out of that contract, I'll be livid. They shouldn't be rewarded because A-Rod acted stupid. They signed him, they should have to live with it, not receive a get of jail free card.

Hell, there is a way from suspected PED guys from getting raises like Peralta did from the Cardinals. If you're caught with PEDs to the point of a major suspension like A-Rod, the team should still have to eat that contract money. That'll cause teams to think twice about signing guys who seem to pose that PED use.

As for Ellsbury...it sucks its NY, but I'm glad the Sox aren't paying him that kind of money. Granted, this is really the only way they can reload because their farm system is the Mojave at the moment. Meanwhile the Sox have young guys coming up that they can start using to fill these holes, and using the draft picks from these FA to draft more.
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Old December 4 2013, 06:20 PM   #141
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Ellsbury brings a higher on base percentage, less strike-outs, more stolen bases and you don't loose much pop.
Fun fact: If Ellsbury had hit one fewer home run this past season, his 2011 season would comprise exactly half of his career total. Remove 2011 from the equation (because he's never going to repeat that), and he averages about eight dingers a season. Ellsbury has very little pop; he's basically Carl Crawford 2.0 (except he's somehow getting paid more). Ellsbury is not elite talent, and there's no reason to pay him like he is.

The other interesting factor in play here is that the Yankees are still desperately trying to get under the luxury tax threshold and reports say they haven't given up on Cano, which would suggest they're expecting a Christmas present in the form of a lengthy Alex Rodriguez suspension.
I'm not so sure about the "trying to stay under $189". I know they've stated that, but it sure doesn't seem like that's really a factor.
Every move they've made over the past two years has been about getting under 189. That's why they trotted out an outfield of Gardner and the corpses of Vernon Wells and Ichiro last year.

Not sure I agree about Ellsbury either. I think he is a top tear player. Just look at what he brought to the Red Sox last year.
Player A: 2228 PA, 23 HR, 161 SB, 38 CS, .268/.352/.381

Player B: 2472 PA, 33 HR, 202 SB, 31 CS, .289/.341/.405

Guess who?

We'll see I guess, it's kind of suprising to me that Seattle all of a sudden "might" be willing to pay Cano $200. I'm taking that with a grain of salt.
Hint: The Mariners are major players for Cano in the same way the Mets are, which is to say about 24 hours ago the Yankees drew another line in the sand.
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Player A: 2228 PA, 23 HR, 161 SB, 38 CS, .268/.352/.381

Player B: 2472 PA, 33 HR, 202 SB, 31 CS, .289/.341/.405

Guess who?
OK, I give...

...but numbers don't signify what he meant to the Red Sox line up.

Don't forget, the bigget part of that deal is that he is no longer in the Sox line-up. Double whammy is that he'll be patrolling center for the Yanks.

We'll see I guess, it's kind of suprising to me that Seattle all of a sudden "might" be willing to pay Cano $200. I'm taking that with a grain of salt.
Hint: The Mariners are major players for Cano in the same way the Mets are, which is to say about 24 hours ago the Yankees drew another line in the sand.
Agree.
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Old December 4 2013, 07:57 PM   #143
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The Rockies traded the streaky Dexter Fowler to the Astros for Brandon Barnes (meh), and Jordan Lyles with his magnificant 5.59 era. Way to go Rockies. WTF?
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Old December 4 2013, 08:20 PM   #144
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Wonder how Salty feels about going from a team that just won the World Series to...the Marlins.
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Old December 4 2013, 08:34 PM   #145
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About 21 Million dollars richer, I'd imagine. And playing in nice weather near his house.

Probably not terrible

Like a lot of people in a lot of sports, it's the drive to get the championship/ring. Once you've gotten that, it's nice to have more, but it's also ok to chase the money a bit and get yourself set up. Same thing Ellsbury just did: get your rings, then sign a bloated contract to a washed-up team to cash in
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Old December 4 2013, 09:02 PM   #146
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Wonder how Salty feels about going from a team that just won the World Series to...the Marlins.
It's just like getting sent to the minors I would guess.
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^^ A LOSING minor league team at that. Enjoy your cash and good coffee Salty.
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Old December 4 2013, 09:26 PM   #148
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The Sox had no desire nor need to keep him...
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They got rid of Salty, but signed the washed up AJ Pierzynski?
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Old December 4 2013, 11:13 PM   #150
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Player A: 2228 PA, 23 HR, 161 SB, 38 CS, .268/.352/.381

Player B: 2472 PA, 33 HR, 202 SB, 31 CS, .289/.341/.405

Guess who?
OK, I give...

...but numbers don't signify what he meant to the Red Sox line up.
It's baseball. Numbers are everything. And to that note, Player A is Brett Gardner. Player B is Ellsbury with his monster 2011 removed, since nothing before or since says he'll repeat it. The point is that they are extremely comparable players, which is to say "good," but not elite and far from top-tier.

Don't forget, the bigget part of that deal is that he is no longer in the Sox line-up. Double whammy is that he'll be patrolling center for the Yanks.
You seem to be overlooking the fact that Ellsbury was not a significant piece of their lineup. Sure, he was a good player for them. But he's pretty easily replaceable: Very little power but runs really fast, and speed is the trait that degrades most quickly in players. As I said, he's Carl Crawford 2.0.
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