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Old December 4 2013, 02:03 AM   #361
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Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

I'm almost positive he knocked up Rain in the back of that VW.
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Old December 4 2013, 02:26 AM   #362
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Re: Could Fury have worked with a rewrite?

With Tuvok driving?
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Old December 4 2013, 02:37 AM   #363
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Most of them are waking up the next morning in the VW Bus parked at a camp site in the beginning of part two.

Tuvok and Mr Leisure Suit would have been awake taking notes.
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Old December 4 2013, 02:44 AM   #364
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That would be so Tom Paris, impregnating a chick in the back of a Kombi. He'd be chuffed over what a period piece this child was.
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Old December 4 2013, 05:10 AM   #365
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I doubt he'd have seen Mallrats.
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Old December 4 2013, 05:33 AM   #366
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They made her very stoic, so she spoke less and less. Not the avenue you wanna take a character for development.
My problem with her was she had no flaws. This didn't make for very interesting viewing. Yes Spock and 7 were stoic, but that's because they were repressed, being stoic was part of their story arc. With Kes it just seemed like she had super emotional strength so didn't engage people on that level, which wasn't that great either.
Yes, this and I didn't get how someone from a closed society could know so much without having any real world life experience.

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Kes being afraid of her power was a way of keeping her in check so that she didn't turn into a super hero who could fix all their problems. Much like Seven became. Kes still used her powers at times in spite of her fear, and I think that was more interesting. Kes's power could've been used so that she was advising Janeway much in the way that Troi advised Picard. Kes could've took starfleet classes online and been given a field promotion to ship's counselor if she didn't have enough to do as a nurse. Kes could've stayed single and had relationships that lasted one episode here and there, much like what was done with Kim, and most other characters. Stoic characters, like Spock and Seven, can be quite popular, but if that was a problem, then the writers could've had her come out of her shell and focus more on her empathy and emotional openness.
One story I'd like to have seen is Kes deciding to become a single parent once her true eloguim happened. I'd have had her approach Tom about being a sperm donor so that she could have the daughter that she had in the alternate timeline - a daughter she still had memories of. Not having that child should've been like a death to her imo. I imagine there'd be a lot of conflict, perhaps Kes wouldn't even ask for Tom to be a donor, but the truth behind her grieving is discovered and explored. Once everyone understands that this is about Kes wanting to have a child, the child she still remembers and loves, and not about her having feelings for Tom, then Tom and B'lanna agree to Kes having the child. The story could be a metaphor for the loss of a child, but with a positive ending. The kid could then be a supporting character played by an adult within a year or so, but wouldn't have to be a major player anymore than all of Seven's Borg kids were. Just one suggestion, but then Kes as a single mother opens up new storylines.
If the writers weren't creative enough to write for Kes, that's on them. I don't buy that there were no stories out there for her. If they wrote her into a corner, they could write her back out of it if they had wanted to.
Then maybe you should write for TV.
If folks think they could write better, then why isn't anyone doing it?

So, the solution to recover from the loss of a child is to get another one?
Children shouldn't be treated like puppies.
I am!

I did!

After "Fury", I turned my anger into something constructive. Already after "The Gift", I had written a story called "Coming Home" in which Kes returned to Voyager. My plan was to sell it to PocketBooks but it turned out to be a more complicated maneuver that I had imagined so the whole thing was stalled for a while. Then, after "Fury", I rewrote it into a TV script with the help of a person who had experience from such things and sent it to Paramount. I got in touch with a guy there who told me that he did like the story. There were some conversation going on but in the long run, nothing happened. Maybe I wrote about the wrong character.

Since then, I've written two more Kes stories and I have more "in the can". My problem is lack of time.

Anyway, the point is that if an amateur like me can come up with decent Kes stories, then I expect the same from skilled, paid writers.

If the writing staff didn't feel inspired to write for her, then they weren't doing their job and should have been fired. I guess that Kim may not be the most inspiring character to write for. But give me a contract and a sum of money and I would come up with a decent Kim story as well.

I'm also surprised over how quick the writers lost their ability to write stories for Kes. They did actually come up with decent stories up to the last minutes of her time on Voyager (Warlord, Darkling, Before And After, Scorpion) and even after she was gome (Jeri Taylor's book "Pathways").

So I guess that it's actually like:

Boss: "You are quite good about writing stories about Character X"

Writer: Sir! Yes Sir! I find Character X a fascinating character and...

Boss: We have decided to dump Character X and the official reason is decided to be lack of inspiration to writing for the character. From now on, if asked about it, you will always express your lack of inspiration when it comes to Character X.

Writer: Sir! Yes Sir! I can't write for Character X! It's impossible to come up with good stories about Character X!
This "the writers must be evil" as an excuse is starting to wear thin.
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Old December 4 2013, 05:37 AM   #367
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Say it: "Kazon Slave Girl".

30 percent of her job was keeping them drunk.

Do you really think that she could have done that sober?
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Old December 4 2013, 05:39 AM   #368
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Most of them are waking up the next morning in the VW Bus parked at a camp site in the beginning of part two.

Tuvok and Mr Leisure Suit would have been awake taking notes.
.....and you need to find a partner and get laid.
Seriously!
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Old December 4 2013, 05:47 AM   #369
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I'm waiting for God to roll out a fourth gender.
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Old December 4 2013, 06:02 AM   #370
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I'm waiting for God to roll out a fourth gender.
What, you think you're special?
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Old December 4 2013, 06:10 AM   #371
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I don't want the first ones out of the factory, it's sensible to let braver people work out the kinks.
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Old December 4 2013, 06:17 AM   #372
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But The Phantom Menace was terrible!
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Old December 4 2013, 06:27 AM   #373
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But upon reflection, it got significantly better, every time a new movie was produced.
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Old December 4 2013, 09:19 AM   #374
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I don't want the first ones out of the factory, it's sensible to let braver people work out the kinks.
The kinks?

The Kinks!

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Old December 4 2013, 12:14 PM   #375
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I'm almost positive he knocked up Rain in the back of that VW.
This could be a useful hinge into another Tom & Rain story ... I'll get to work on it, right away!
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