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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old December 2 2013, 01:46 AM   #61
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

The Nexus is a very artifical way to "bring the generations" (ie, Kirk and Picard) together.

Personally, I'd have prefered it if the Kirk and Picard strains of the plot had remained almost entirely seperate, but linked only in that they are each maybe facing the same problem 78 years apart. But then I also think people might have been disappointed with a movie that has Kirk and Picard in it, but doesn't actually see them interact with each other directly on screen. Unless somewhere near the end of the movie the ability for them to contact each other through time was established? Then again, it still wouldn't be seeing the two guys 'together' on-screen, would it, if their contact was limited to being over the view-screen.
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Old December 2 2013, 01:51 AM   #62
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

Have the villain exist outside linear time, tell Kirk's and Picard's story parallel, and when they both attack the bad guy's time machine homebase, both timelines meet. Both Enterprises exist and fight together, and Kirk and Picard can shake hands before destroying the time machine.

Similar to when all ships meet in All Good Things. But then people would have shouted “Ripoff!“
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Old December 2 2013, 07:23 AM   #63
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^ During the Generations commentary, I believe Braga and Moore said that the original idea fro Generations was to do a retelling of "Yesterday's Enterprise". However they were concerned that people would complain about the unoriginality of redoing an episode for the big screen.

@Lance: I had a similar idea for Generations. It would've been so cool to tell a film that way. However the mandates from Paramount were pretty strict on what THEY wanted to see in the film. It's unfortunate.
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Old December 2 2013, 07:47 AM   #64
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

I didn't know this old cassette existed. If I ever did, I forgot long ago.

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Old December 2 2013, 09:54 AM   #65
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

Christ, do we need to be reminded how old we're getting? 19 years...jez...
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Old December 2 2013, 12:41 PM   #66
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

Think that's something? ST:TMP is about to turn 34 in a few short days. "The Cage" was originally filmed 49 years ago this past week.
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Old December 2 2013, 01:57 PM   #67
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^ During the Generations commentary, I believe Braga and Moore said that the original idea fro Generations was to do a retelling of "Yesterday's Enterprise". However they were concerned that people would complain about the unoriginality of redoing an episode for the big screen.

@Lance: I had a similar idea for Generations. It would've been so cool to tell a film that way. However the mandates from Paramount were pretty strict on what THEY wanted to see in the film. It's unfortunate.
I think most fans (and even non fans) wre kind of expecting something like YE to be the crossover movie. i remember seeing what mustve been the first pics from Generations in a sf mag of Kirk on the bridge and being totally blown away….id not been following Trek after VI thinking that was it for the original crew (id lost track of TNG and had no interest in DS9) and had no idea they were making another movie (think they were just calling it ‘Star Trek VII’ at that point) let alone one with the original cast and TNG so i immediatly thought it was going to be “Yesterdays Enterprise” done big as the brief article stated time travel was involved and in the pic Shatner looked to be on the Ent A bridge. Even The teaser trailer actually looked like it was going to be abit YE
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Old December 2 2013, 02:01 PM   #68
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

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The Nexus is a very artifical way to "bring the generations" (ie, Kirk and Picard) together.

Personally, I'd have prefered it if the Kirk and Picard strains of the plot had remained almost entirely seperate, but linked only in that they are each maybe facing the same problem 78 years apart. But then I also think people might have been disappointed with a movie that has Kirk and Picard in it, but doesn't actually see them interact with each other directly on screen. Unless somewhere near the end of the movie the ability for them to contact each other through time was established? Then again, it still wouldn't be seeing the two guys 'together' on-screen, would it, if their contact was limited to being over the view-screen.
yes it couldve been a Godfather Part II-style film intercutting the two generations dealing with the same macguffin in their eras like the Federation novel from 1994. Plus, potentially, Spock, McCoy and Scotty could have appeared in both eras.
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Old December 2 2013, 02:21 PM   #69
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@Lance: I had a similar idea for Generations. It would've been so cool to tell a film that way. However the mandates from Paramount were pretty strict on what THEY wanted to see in the film. It's unfortunate.
It wasn't just Paramount that wanted the two captains to meet. That's all the fandom was talking about. Sure, with hindsight we can look at other options as 'preferable' but at the time, fans would've been outraged if Shatner and Stewart had not shared a decent-ish amount of screen time together.
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Old December 3 2013, 04:22 PM   #70
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This is the first Trek movie that I saw in the theatre, and its weird to imagine how long ago it was, and that I was only 9 years old!
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Old December 4 2013, 03:09 AM   #71
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It wasn't just Paramount that wanted the two captains to meet. That's all the fandom was talking about.
I'm pretty sure the fans had something other in mind than the two captains buttering toast together.
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Old December 4 2013, 11:17 AM   #72
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^Like... riding horses??
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Old December 4 2013, 11:36 AM   #73
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

Generations should've been a TNG movie, all the way - without Shatner's involvement and his self-serving inclusions and rewrites! I found out, only recently in fact, because of this "birthday," that in the novelisation (or a novelisation) the Nexus is nothing more than a whimsical Q creation, which was left carelessly discarded and forgotten about. Hateful, how lazy writers can be. Despite it's many and obvious shortcomings, Generations at least tries to entertain - and the TNG cast looks great!
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Old December 4 2013, 01:18 PM   #74
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It wasn't just Paramount that wanted the two captains to meet. That's all the fandom was talking about.
I'm pretty sure the fans had something other in mind than the two captains buttering toast together.
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Old December 4 2013, 01:20 PM   #75
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Re: Happy 19th Birthday, Star Trek Generations!

GEN Yestedays Enterprise style trailers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOi0NT-c1Ig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHaTC0aUu-Q

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