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Old December 3 2013, 09:21 PM   #46
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Re: J.J. admits keeping Khan's identity a secret was a mistake

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Bearing in mind I haven't seen STID so I don't know how well the reveal was handled, I thought the 'teasing' got a bit tedious, at least for fans.

PR dept: "There a super-sekrit villain surprise in STID!"
Fans: "It's Khan, isn't it?"
PR dept:"It's an awesome surprise!"
Fans: "Yeah, it's Khan."
PR dept: "Nooo, Cumberbatch is playing John Harrison, tee-hee!"
Fans:"Guys, we know it's Khan."
Karl Urban: It's Gary Mitchell! Oops, I totally leaked the secret!"
Fans: *sigh*

6 months later:

Cumberbatch: "My name is Khan!"
Fans: "No shit, Sherlock."

I can't think of a single fan who said it would be Khan, apart from myself and Dennis.



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Old December 3 2013, 10:47 PM   #47
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Re: J.J. admits keeping Khan's identity a secret was a mistake

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I can't think of a single fan who said it would be Khan, apart from myself and Dennis.
I can't think of a single fan who didn't know that it was Khan. J.J. could learn something from Moffat on keeping secrets.
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Old December 3 2013, 10:59 PM   #48
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Cumberbatch: "My name is Khan!"
Fans: "No shit, Sherlock."
I see what you did there...
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Old December 3 2013, 11:07 PM   #49
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Re: J.J. admits keeping Khan's identity a secret was a mistake

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I can't think of a single fan who said it would be Khan, apart from myself and Dennis.
Anyone who read a single post from Dennis on the matter can't claim not to have been confronted with the idea. Or forewarned.
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Old December 3 2013, 11:09 PM   #50
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Re: J.J. admits keeping Khan's identity a secret was a mistake

I recall quite a few more than just two people saying it was Khan.

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Actually, the hardcore fans just assumed that everyone wanted Khan, because it fit some preconceived notion that the hardcore fans had about what the lowest common denominator looked like. But the truth is that the hardcore fans have no idea what the general public, in aggregate, knows about Star Trek. The hardcore fans especially have no idea what the general public cares about enough to get drawn in by.
YES! Completely agreed.
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Old December 3 2013, 11:40 PM   #51
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Actually, the hardcore fans just assumed that everyone wanted Khan, because it fit some preconceived notion that the hardcore fans had about what the lowest common denominator looked like. But the truth is that the hardcore fans have no idea what the general public, in aggregate, knows about Star Trek. The hardcore fans especially have no idea what the general public cares about enough to get drawn in by.
That's because Khan is the only villain in Star Trek that non-fans will recognize. If you're trying to reach a wider audience, using Khan as the villain is your best bet. It's either him or have the Enterprise encounter some killer space whales.
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Old December 3 2013, 11:51 PM   #52
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Re: J.J. admits keeping Khan's identity a secret was a mistake

I agree with SlashFilm's Germain Lussier on this one:
The big question is, would those numbers have been any different had they handled the reveal differently? I feel like the answer is “Yes,” but on the dark side. Had Abrams came out last year and said “Khan is the villain” the likely response from non-fans would been alienation (“Who is Khan?”) and fans might have felt betrayed (“I don’t want to see another Khan movie”). Plus, that big surprise, even if it was mostly ruined, surely sold tickets as people wanted to see the answer for themselves. The mystery helped drive buzz and discussion about the movie, plain and simple.

Abrams might now think keeping Khan secret was a bad idea, but it was likely a bad idea that worked to their advantage.
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Old December 4 2013, 01:53 AM   #53
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Nothing about Abrams' regret over lens flares or retailer exclusives. So sad...
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Old December 4 2013, 02:12 AM   #54
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I agree with SlashFilm's Germain Lussier on this one:
The big question is, would those numbers have been any different had they handled the reveal differently? I feel like the answer is “Yes,” but on the dark side. Had Abrams came out last year and said “Khan is the villain” the likely response from non-fans would been alienation (“Who is Khan?”) and fans might have felt betrayed (“I don’t want to see another Khan movie”). Plus, that big surprise, even if it was mostly ruined, surely sold tickets as people wanted to see the answer for themselves. The mystery helped drive buzz and discussion about the movie, plain and simple.

Abrams might now think keeping Khan secret was a bad idea, but it was likely a bad idea that worked to their advantage.
Ok, erm, why would the general audience have been put off and asked „Who is Khan?“, but they weren't put off and asked “Who is John Harrison?“
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Old December 4 2013, 02:44 AM   #55
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Ok, erm, why would the general audience have been put off and asked „Who is Khan?“, but they weren't put off and asked “Who is John Harrison?“
Exactly. It wouldn't have made any difference.

And yes, the cat was definitely out of the bag before the movie hit theaters. I was one of the ones who insisted for a long time that there was no way they were going to go with so obvious a villain as Khan, and even I knew before going into the theater that Khan was definitely in it. Online film reviews had spoiled everything leaving no doubt at all.
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Old December 4 2013, 02:44 AM   #56
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I agree with SlashFilm's Germain Lussier on this one:
The big question is, would those numbers have been any different had they handled the reveal differently? I feel like the answer is “Yes,” but on the dark side. Had Abrams came out last year and said “Khan is the villain” the likely response from non-fans would been alienation (“Who is Khan?”) and fans might have felt betrayed (“I don’t want to see another Khan movie”). Plus, that big surprise, even if it was mostly ruined, surely sold tickets as people wanted to see the answer for themselves. The mystery helped drive buzz and discussion about the movie, plain and simple.

Abrams might now think keeping Khan secret was a bad idea, but it was likely a bad idea that worked to their advantage.
Ok, erm, why would the general audience have been put off and asked „Who is Khan?“, but they weren't put off and asked “Who is John Harrison?“
I'm not saying I agree with the logic, but, the logic would be that John Harrison was sold in the marketing as simply being John Harrison, someone you didn't need to know anything about going into the Movie, whereas what people are suggesting is that the marketing for Kahn, should've gone something like "After 31 Years, Khan finally returns to your Screen in Star Trek Into Darkness", which might make the uninitiated worry they needed to study up on Kahn before seeing the movie.

But, as it worked out, at least in my experience, the rumors of "Kahn" that were unconfirmed, made casual fans even more curious to see the movie to see if the rumors were true
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Old December 4 2013, 02:47 AM   #57
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Nothing about Abrams' regret over lens flares or retailer exclusives. So sad...
Considering the question to him was "Do you have any regrets in the way Khan was divulged" there wouldn't have been any reason for Abrams to talk about that.
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Old December 4 2013, 02:49 AM   #58
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Re: J.J. admits keeping Khan's identity a secret was a mistake

Let's all just agree J.J. Abrams is the Anti-Christ and move on.
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Old December 4 2013, 03:05 AM   #59
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Nothing about Abrams' regret over lens flares or retailer exclusives. So sad...
Considering the question to him was "Do you have any regrets in the way Khan was divulged" there wouldn't have been any reason for Abrams to talk about that.
Plus, he already apologized for his Lens Flare addiction, and I seriously doubt he had any control over the DVD/BluRay Content

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Let's all just agree J.J. Abrams is the Anti-Christ and move on.
LOL, Christ...Roddenberry...Same difference
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Old December 4 2013, 03:09 AM   #60
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Let's all just agree J.J. Abrams is the Anti-Christ and move on.
Because there is no Anti-Christ, it has been necessary to invent one.


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Ok, erm, why would the general audience have been put off and asked „Who is Khan?“, but they weren't put off and asked “Who is John Harrison?“
Captain Mainwaring: Ah, good man. I was waiting to see who would be the first to spot that.


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I'm not saying I agree with the logic, but, the logic would be that John Harrison was sold in the marketing as simply being John Harrison, someone you didn't need to know anything about going into the Movie, whereas what people are suggesting is that the marketing for Kahn, should've gone something like "After 31 Years, Khan finally returns to your Screen in Star Trek Into Darkness", which might make the uninitiated worry they needed to study up on Kahn before seeing the movie.
Oh, I see. What a shame the people who were worried about that don't have any control over how the marketing is done. Hold on ... .

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