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Old November 17 2013, 03:09 AM   #31
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Re: You know what really irks me about "Insurrection"?

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Starfleet vs. Starfleet
Like the beginning of the episode Conspiracy, a conspiracy within Starfleet ... until they ruined it with the big insects.


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Old November 17 2013, 04:52 AM   #32
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Re: You know what really irks me about "Insurrection"?

Even with the insects it was interesting. Something more original than an alien with a funny forehead. Too bad they never followed up on it.
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Old November 19 2013, 02:59 AM   #33
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I think the movie would've been better as a Starfleet vs. Starfleet drama and completely removing the S'ona from the film.
Yes, but it would have been even better if they'd simply ditched Piller's script altogether and started over.
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Old November 19 2013, 06:40 AM   #34
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Re: You know what really irks me about "Insurrection"?

The Ba'ku might has worked well as a primitive but well meaning race. Maybe along the lines of the Mintakans.

Picard rebelling against Starfleet to protect a primitive race with major potential might have worked better.

The worst crime of Insurrection is wanting us to care for a race that only proved to be a bunch of smug assholes.
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Old November 19 2013, 02:30 PM   #35
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Re: You know what really irks me about "Insurrection"?

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I think the movie would've been better as a Starfleet vs. Starfleet drama and completely removing the S'ona from the film.
Yes, but it would have been even better if they'd simply ditched Piller's script altogether and started over.
Or if they had kept more of the ideas he originally pitched that were deep-sixed by Berman, Stewart and Spiner.
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Old November 21 2013, 10:34 PM   #36
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I think the movie would've been better as a Starfleet vs. Starfleet drama and completely removing the S'ona from the film.
Yes, but it would have been even better if they'd simply ditched Piller's script altogether and started over.
Or if they had kept more of the ideas he originally pitched that were deep-sixed by Berman, Stewart and Spiner.
Such as?
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Old December 3 2013, 07:49 AM   #37
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Yes, but it would have been even better if they'd simply ditched Piller's script altogether and started over.
Or if they had kept more of the ideas he originally pitched that were deep-sixed by Berman, Stewart and Spiner.
Such as?
I believe the original script was going to be much darker. Basically showing a Federation that was worn down by the war against the Borg and the Dominion, and their desperation to take the radiation off that planet's rings, not giving any fucks about the indigenous people there.

But Stewart and Spiner wanted a light hearted script that dealt only superficially with the topic of the fountain of youth. So due to their meddling, the script became campy, with the "Insurrection" being only against one idiot Admiral, and boob/zit jokes. (I believe the original script did mean to have an insurrection against the entire Federation. I would have loved to see Picard tell Admiral Nechayev to fuck off )

Alas we got what we got, a mediocre 2 part TNG episode with "victims" you just want to choke the living shit out of.
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Old December 3 2013, 08:07 AM   #38
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Re: You know what really irks me about "Insurrection"?

As someone who thinks Nechayev is unfairly maligned simply because she tends to butt heads with Picard and isn't looking to make friends (see also Captain Jellico), I would have found it more poignant if she and Picard had found themselves on the same side, though perhaps for different reasons.
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Old December 3 2013, 10:20 AM   #39
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Re: You know what really irks me about "Insurrection"?

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Or if they had kept more of the ideas he originally pitched that were deep-sixed by Berman, Stewart and Spiner.
Such as?
I believe the original script was going to be much darker. Basically showing a Federation that was worn down by the war against the Borg and the Dominion, and their desperation to take the radiation off that planet's rings, not giving any fucks about the indigenous people there.

But Stewart and Spiner wanted a light hearted script that dealt only superficially with the topic of the fountain of youth. So due to their meddling, the script became campy, with the "Insurrection" being only against one idiot Admiral, and boob/zit jokes. (I believe the original script did mean to have an insurrection against the entire Federation. I would have loved to see Picard tell Admiral Nechayev to fuck off )

Alas we got what we got, a mediocre 2 part TNG episode with "victims" you just want to choke the living shit out of.
Sounds like the plot to Avatar TNG Style.
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Old December 3 2013, 12:35 PM   #40
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Re: You know what really irks me about "Insurrection"?

Is there no one posting on these boards who loves STAR TREK: Insurrection ... as much as I?
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Old December 3 2013, 01:52 PM   #41
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Re: You know what really irks me about "Insurrection"?

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Is there no one posting on these boards who loves STAR TREK: Insurrection ... as much as I?
Insurrection has its defenders. Just not very many of them.
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Old December 3 2013, 02:01 PM   #42
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Re: You know what really irks me about "Insurrection"?

As I've said elsewhere, I think Insurrection's biggest problem is that it's afraid of it's own premise. The movie tries to pay lip service to the idea that this is morally grey territory, but they're never willing to give both sides equal weight. They were too afraid that part of the audience would disagree with Picard's actions (which happened anyway). So they spend most of the film screaming to the viewer "SEE? PICARD IS RIGHT!!!" They try to have it both ways and wind up achieving neither.
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Old December 3 2013, 02:07 PM   #43
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Re: You know what really irks me about "Insurrection"?

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Is there no one posting on these boards who loves STAR TREK: Insurrection ... as much as I?
My relationship with Insurrection is similar to my relationship to The Phantom Menace. I like it because I love the characters and the universe, but it's glaring issues are too numerous to ignore.

To be fair, though, I watch it a LOT more often than I watch The Motion Picture.

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Old December 3 2013, 02:52 PM   #44
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Re: You know what really irks me about "Insurrection"?

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Is there no one posting on these boards who loves STAR TREK: Insurrection ... as much as I?
Well, to be fair, it DID have one of the better soundtracks in the series.

Unfortunately, the shitting writing cancelled that out.
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Old December 3 2013, 03:01 PM   #45
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Re: You know what really irks me about "Insurrection"?

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Is there no one posting on these boards who loves STAR TREK: Insurrection ... as much as I?
I didn't hate it if that counts for anything, but it's not one of my favorites.
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