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View Poll Results: Who was the Most Heinous Star Trek Villain? (Choose up to 3)
The Sphere Builders 5 6.33%
Parmen 1 1.27%
Khan 25 31.65%
Khan (NuTrek) 10 12.66%
Kang 5 6.33%
General Chang 10 12.66%
Admiral Cartwright 5 6.33%
Armus 13 16.46%
The House of Duras 3 3.80%
Seska 1 1.27%
Soran 5 6.33%
The Borg Queen 26 32.91%
Luther Sloan 6 7.59%
Kai Winn 14 17.72%
Gul Dukat 35 44.30%
The Female Changeling 19 24.05%
Annorax 4 5.06%
Shinzon 6 7.59%
Nero 7 8.86%
Alexander Marcus 3 3.80%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

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Old November 24 2013, 06:49 AM   #76
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Re: The Most Heinous Star Trek Villain

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I like Sloan!
Did William Sadler's introductory scene in Die Hard 2 while doing nude exercises influence your opinion of Sloan at all?
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Old November 24 2013, 06:53 AM   #77
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Re: The Most Heinous Star Trek Villain

I of course have never seen any Die Hards.

However this does sound intriguing.. maybe I'll just watch that bit and skip all the Bruce Willis bits.
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Old November 24 2013, 07:14 AM   #78
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It's during the first 30 minutes I think, so you won't have to waste much time.
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Old November 24 2013, 07:22 AM   #79
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Excellent.

:: makes a little note ::
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Old November 24 2013, 07:49 AM   #80
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Oh, Colm Meaney shows up later in the film too. Though he's not naked, and you'd have to watch quite a bit of Willis to get to it.
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Old November 24 2013, 08:46 AM   #81
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Eh, I can live without him.
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Old November 24 2013, 12:49 PM   #82
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I like Sloan!
I like Sloan to, but I like him because he was kind of like a portal to the rabbit hole that is the dark side of the Federation. For instance Sloan says that Section 31 was created via the Federation's charter of rights or constitution, but if only a select handful (outside of Section 31) know of this agencies existence then it may imply this constitution was secretly amended.

To be honest if there was ever one group which would force the Federation government to become a dictatorship, when the going became really tough, it would be Section 31.
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Old November 24 2013, 04:09 PM   #83
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I think Trek's most heinous villain has to be the evil oil slick from "Skin of Evil" - it was, after all, created from all the evilness of some civilization smooshed together. Even if it was pretty crappy in execution.
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Old November 24 2013, 04:59 PM   #84
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^He was stationary though. If the aliens that made him left a beacon in orbit, he wouldn't be a problem.
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Old November 30 2013, 08:57 PM   #85
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Personally, I think Dark Mirror Universe Spock was the worst. He was totally evil, but his evil was backed by logic and reason, thus making it logically justifiable.

And it was nice to change from the maniacally laughing villain who rubs human skulls, to a logically evil mastermind who knew exactly what he was doing, and didn't have a single regret.
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Old November 30 2013, 09:34 PM   #86
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Voted Seska, General Chang and Gul Dukat. I was thinking about Kai Winn, but in the end I think she was just misguided.

Seska is treachery personified. But General Chang and Gul Dukat are by far the best acted villains. My number one is Gul Dukat, no contest.
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Re: The Most Heinous Star Trek Villain

Didn't know I could pick three. I've gotta start reading thread titles more closely.

I voted for the Female Changeling, but you could just as easily say the Founders as a whole. They were just so absolutely conviced that literally every other life form in the universe was inferior.

My other two votes would have been for Dukat and Soran. Soran because he was willing to kill off an entire civilization (numbering in the millions IIRC) for no other reason than to satisfy his own petty pleasure. My reasons for picking Dukat should be obvious, but special mention should be made of his creepy obsession with Kira. *shudder*
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Old December 2 2013, 10:54 AM   #88
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Re: The Most Heinous Star Trek Villain

Since heinous means utterly odious or wicked, a number of the suggestions people have made here (the BOT Romulan Commander, for instance) do not qualify.
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Old December 2 2013, 03:06 PM   #89
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^Synonyms for heinous; odious, wicked, evil, atrocious, monstrous, abominable, detestable, contemptible, reprehensible, despicable, egregious, horrific, terrible, awful, abhorrent, loathsome, hideous, unspeakable, execrable; iniquities, or villainous.

All of these characters can be heinous in one form or another.
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Old December 2 2013, 03:28 PM   #90
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^Synonyms for heinous; odious, wicked, evil, atrocious, monstrous, abominable, detestable, contemptible, reprehensible, despicable, egregious, horrific, terrible, awful, abhorrent, loathsome, hideous, unspeakable, execrable; iniquities, or villainous.

All of these characters can be heinous in one form or another.
The Romulan Commander from "Balance of Terror" doesn't fit any of the above. That was the whole point of the episode.
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