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Old November 25 2013, 10:59 AM   #31
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Re: Reporting Drunk Drivers

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i'm guessing that if you crashed or caused an accident while following somebody at the behest of the dispatcher, that would be a legal headache for the department. It doesn't seem likely that they would use an untrained civilian to trail a suspect.
This. Under no circumstances would police communications tell or encourage a civilian to tail someone who may be drink driving. Its asking for an accident, either from the caller who, so intent on following the suspect, doesn't pay attention themselves and hits someone, or from the suspect who realises they're being followed and decides to make off at speed or stop to have it out with their pursuer. There are dozens of factors considered when the police decide to pursue someone, none of which can be meaningfully assessed by speaking to someone they've never met on the end of a phone. Too great a risk. In fact, our call takers scripting software will prompt them to tell you not to continue following.
I can't speak for police in your area but most certainly take such calls seriously, and details are passed over the radio etc for officers to attempt to locate/stop.
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Old November 27 2013, 11:30 PM   #32
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For one, The State of California itself says you shouldn't follow people suspected of drunk driving.

Pingfah is most likely dead on the money, and I would suspect that's the reason both calls were ended: If you were to get into an accident, or if the allegedly impaired driver were to get in one (and then claim they were worried you were following them), then it suddenly becomes a headache. What if it went to trial and the defense tried to argue you were acting as an agent of the police? What if you tried to sue the department because you were trying to follow an impaired driver and just "help out," and then ran into a tree? Or any number of other things that could have happened?

I'm not saying this is even remotely on the same level of severity, but this is the same reason George Zimmerman was told by the 911 dispatcher to remain in his vehicle. It's not your job to follow a driver you think is impaired and report their up-to-date movements to dispatch. And, truth be told, although you're encouraged to report drunk drivers, the reason is that so if there happens to be a unit in the near vicinity, they can be sent to that location, but otherwise, it's usually that a BOLO is sent out to any stationed units in the area, particularly speed trap units on the highways.
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Old November 28 2013, 01:47 AM   #33
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Old November 28 2013, 02:02 AM   #34
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They should get 6 points and a £300 fine. If the phone is that urget call pull over (in a safe place)and take it or at the very minimum invest in a hands free device, some new cars even come with them inbuilt.
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Old November 28 2013, 02:11 AM   #35
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^Read the thread again, Macleod. He's not talking about taking a phone call from someone calling him. He's talking about calling the cops on another driver.
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Old November 28 2013, 02:45 AM   #36
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Re: Reporting Drunk Drivers

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For one, The State of California itself says you shouldn't follow people suspected of drunk driving.

Pingfah is most likely dead on the money, and I would suspect that's the reason both calls were ended: If you were to get into an accident, or if the allegedly impaired driver were to get in one (and then claim they were worried you were following them), then it suddenly becomes a headache. What if it went to trial and the defense tried to argue you were acting as an agent of the police? What if you tried to sue the department because you were trying to follow an impaired driver and just "help out," and then ran into a tree? Or any number of other things that could have happened?

I'm not saying this is even remotely on the same level of severity, but this is the same reason George Zimmerman was told by the 911 dispatcher to remain in his vehicle. It's not your job to follow a driver you think is impaired and report their up-to-date movements to dispatch. And, truth be told, although you're encouraged to report drunk drivers, the reason is that so if there happens to be a unit in the near vicinity, they can be sent to that location, but otherwise, it's usually that a BOLO is sent out to any stationed units in the area, particularly speed trap units on the highways.
Flux: I hope you've read this post by Timby. This, x like, a million. The streets of 'Frisco are safe without you suiting up and taking on the night, Bats.
Good thing I wasn't in "'Frisco" then, right? Then again, who cares about geographical accuracy when you're making another smartass drive-by post. One of my threads just ain't complete without one from you, it seems.

I didn't "suit up" and head out looking for crime to fight, I came across one potentially in progress for the first time, called it in, and was subsequently surprised by the lack of response. That's a big difference from purposely going out and looking for trouble as you're trying so hard to make it seem.
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Old November 28 2013, 12:33 PM   #37
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^ you followed the guy. You aren't supposed to
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Old November 29 2013, 04:12 PM   #38
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^ you followed the guy. You aren't supposed to
Unless the police order you too. They tried to pull that shit on me once. Didn't work. There are advantages to untraceable prepaid phones. I'd never call the police with my normal phone, that just a whole 'nother bag of hurt.

I've been to over a dozen accident scenes where the driver was obviously drunk. Always called the police, they never showed up. So what do you do? Drive the idiot to the nearest repair shop, dump his car and let him sort the rest out. Its not a civilians job to fight crime.

I've stopped reporting drunk drivers. Nothing is ever done about it. Its easier to just overtake them and let the morons crash behind you where there is no chance if them injuring you and your passengers.
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Old November 29 2013, 10:09 PM   #39
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Old November 30 2013, 12:18 PM   #40
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^ you followed the guy. You aren't supposed to
Unless the police order you too. They tried to pull that shit on me once. Didn't work. There are advantages to untraceable prepaid phones. I'd never call the police with my normal phone, that just a whole 'nother bag of hurt.

I've been to over a dozen accident scenes where the driver was obviously drunk. Always called the police, they never showed up. So what do you do? Drive the idiot to the nearest repair shop, dump his car and let him sort the rest out. Its not a civilians job to fight crime.

I've stopped reporting drunk drivers. Nothing is ever done about it. Its easier to just overtake them and let the morons crash behind you where there is no chance if them injuring you and your passengers.
What an exciting life you lead there on the dark side of Sweden, "Doc." It's almost like something out of a movie.

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Old November 30 2013, 06:57 PM   #41
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What an exciting life you lead there on the dark side of Sweden, "Doc." It's almost like something out of a movie.

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I'm a tow truck driver. Turning up at accident scenes in kind of in my job description.

And btw, the Swedish chef and an Iraqi sniper chicken? Seriously?
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Old November 30 2013, 08:58 PM   #42
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What an exciting life you lead there on the dark side of Sweden, "Doc." It's almost like something out of a movie.
I'm a tow truck driver. Turning up at accident scenes in kind of in my job description.

And btw, the Swedish chef and an Iraqi sniper chicken? Seriously?
Syrian, not serious.

Are we really pretending like you don't known what I'm referencing, totally new person who's never been here before?
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Old November 30 2013, 09:16 PM   #43
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Old November 30 2013, 09:57 PM   #44
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Syrian, not serious.

Are we really pretending like you don't known what I'm referencing, totally new person who's never been here before?
Oh I know what you're referencing. I also know that you still seem to be the same childish prick you've been for years. Why do you just bugger off? I really don't have the energy or the willpower to deal with you. You're a mod and you still haven't laerned to stay on topic?

Oh, btw. Since one the twat in question didn't even have the decency to send an email. Can I assume you were the one who banned me last time? Or was it someone else?
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Old November 30 2013, 10:14 PM   #45
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Syrian, not serious.

Are we really pretending like you don't known what I'm referencing, totally new person who's never been here before?
Oh I know what you're referencing. I also know that you still seem to be the same childish prick you've been for years. Why do you just bugger off? I really don't have the energy or the willpower to deal with you. You're a mod and you still haven't laerned to stay on topic?

Oh, btw. Since one the twat in question didn't even have the decency to send an email. Can I assume you were the one who banned me last time? Or was it someone else?
An adult response would be to throw a tantrum, presumably?
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