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Old November 29 2013, 03:05 AM   #391
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^I guess the other factor is that he wasn't really part of the chain of command during the films like he'd been during the TV series. He was second-officer during the five-year mission but didn't seem to have any responsibilities outside of engineering during the films.

There wasn't a need for Scotty to be in command during TMP, as Kirk, Decker, and Spock (and perhaps Sulu) would have commanded the ship before he would have. In TWOK and TSFS, Kirk defers to Saavik (for teaching purposes) and Sulu (in Spock's absence), so there's no reason for him to take the conn in either of those situations. By the time TUC rolled around, Chekov had risen to second-officer, so Scotty wasn't needed then, either.

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Old November 29 2013, 07:33 AM   #392
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Thank you, Timewalker, for that most thorough and thoughtful answer. The small favour is greatly received.
You're welcome - hope it helps.


(just a note: Bjo Trimble was one of the original SCA members back in 1966, so this small derailment does have a little bit of a Trek connection )
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Old November 29 2013, 09:37 AM   #393
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The decision to rearrange the stations originates with Phase 2 and I'm not aware of any documents as to why this decision was made.
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Old November 29 2013, 03:20 PM   #394
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So that Xon could more easily photobomb Kirk?
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Old November 29 2013, 03:36 PM   #395
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The decision to rearrange the stations originates with Phase 2 and I'm not aware of any documents as to why this decision was made.
I never realized that till now. The obvious one is that on a 4:3 frame it is hard to get a side station in view unless shooting the capt at an angle, so straight on (i.e., boring) views would always have your principals in frame, but you'd figure they'd happily abandon that for the feature with its 2.35:1 ratio.
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Old November 29 2013, 06:28 PM   #396
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This doesn't answer the question of why it was done, but one observation I have is that the station behind the captain's chair is the one closest to the captain, due to the way the captain's chair is off-center [linky].

Generally speaking, in TMP, I think that they made excellent use of that space behind Kirk, for the four principles (Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Decker) to confer [another].
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Old November 29 2013, 09:14 PM   #397
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Generally speaking, in TMP, I think that they made excellent use of that space behind Kirk, for the four principles (Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Decker) to confer [another].
That they did, but the film also showed the shortcomings of the science station's position: The viewscreen is at your back and during the everybody-is-in-awe-of-V'ger scene Spock joins the "stagazers", thus stops looking at his instruments and just gives them a passing glance once in a while.

Maybe Nick Meyer noticed that and thus put it back to its "original" location in TWOK?

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Old November 29 2013, 09:49 PM   #398
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Maybe Nick Meyer noticed that and thus put it back to its "original" location in TWOK?
IIRC, Meyer wanted to be able to shoot Kirk and Spock together while on the bridge and thought having the science station to the right of the captain's chair was the easiest way to go about it. The in-universe explanation was actually provided by Christopher in Ex Machina as he included text where Kirk wonders about putting the science station in a position similar to what it occupied during the five-year mission.

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Old November 30 2013, 06:22 PM   #399
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I suspect that the reason it was put behind the captain was special and gave the bridge balance. Remember, unlike the other stations, the science station had those two moving consoles on hydrolics. It was probably easier to keep the hydrolics mechanisms stored between the two turbolifts out of the way. For TWOK the hydrolics were removed and they were just on rollers so the station could just be placed anywhere.

Specially there is also more room behind the captains chair than there is on the sides due to the railings. I think when fully extended the two consoles are slightly in the way on the side. I think in TWOK and TSFS you only ever see one panel extended at a time instead of both.
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Old November 30 2013, 06:40 PM   #400
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Actually those spacesuited figures are all servo-activated with lots of joint motion built into them, kind of an electric version of the puppet stuff Apogee did later for LIFEFORCE.
Oops I stand corrected.
Either way though they aren't used to show walking, which is a motion that is very hard to get right with marionettes. So it still lends credence to the fact the saucer shot was done with the actors from way high up in the rafters of the soundstage, not puppets on a scale model.

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The guy doing the backflip on the dock looks really good though, I've always thought that was probably live-action. Trumbull did have the suits for the live-action and a control arm pole that went into one of them set up so he could flip a person and control him like the performer was a mo-con miniature.
According to Doug Drexler, there was a very large puppet of a person (2 feet tall) in a space suit. That apparently was used for the flipping dude over Epsilon 9. It also had a Kirk head in the suite at one point, Andy Probert repainted it later on to look like himself for fun, as well as the color scheme of the suit itself (from orange to beige).
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The backflip guy is a guy - he's on an enlarged "beam" from the Drydock. I've seen the pictures.

And he's really good, he keeps showing off in the next movie!
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Old November 30 2013, 09:35 PM   #401
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The backflip guy is a guy - he's on an enlarged "beam" from the Drydock. I've seen the pictures.

And he's really good, he keeps showing off in the next movie!
It was a very long shift.
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Old December 1 2013, 12:40 PM   #402
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^Tied with the poor sod working in the little room with the tiny window next to the airlock.
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Old December 2 2013, 12:37 PM   #403
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This doesn't answer the question of why it was done, but one observation I have is that the station behind the captain's chair is the one closest to the captain, due to the way the captain's chair is off-center [linky].

Generally speaking, in TMP, I think that they made excellent use of that space behind Kirk, for the four principles (Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Decker) to confer [another].
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing recently.

As additional "real-life" consideration, I think since Decker didn't have anywhere to sit, having the science station between the turbolifts gave really two choices of where to stage Collins in shots, while preserving the intimate "conference area".
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Old December 4 2013, 05:59 AM   #404
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I'm watching the movie for the first time in maybe a year, possibly my last go-around for my videotaped copy. Either I'm so starved for entertainment that I'm noticing new things, or I've seen it so much that I'm numbed, and my mind can afford to wander without "missing anything".

Spock drops his medallion in the sand when he appears, and McCoy proudly wears one when he shows up. Is there any symbolic significance to this?

After the transporter accident, Kirk says "There was nothing you could have done, Rand...it wasn't your fault." Now, my only copy is the videotape I purchased eons ago, and the tv cropping of the image may make the scene read differently, but after Kirk says this he turns to leave. Is the transporter room particularly cramped, or something? Kirk turning looks very constrained, as if he were turning around in a phone booth.
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Old December 4 2013, 06:26 AM   #405
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^ The control console is indeed enclosed in a booth-like thingy. The actual transporter room, as such, is normal sized.
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